Awww, don’t be mean to the poor little platypodes. My assumption is that this little guy serves a healthier and less destructive ecological role than do I. I am sure that if the animals (especially those polar bears) could write and draw, when asked the primary reason for their disbelief in God, they would draw a picture of me!Other...
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Poll: The best argument against God, capital G.
- Thread starter dybmh
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Alien826
No religious beliefs
I picked "No intervention against tyrants". Only a few people chose that which surprises me. It's not really my primary reason, which is closer to lack of evidence, but it's worth discussing.
Let's just take the Jews, from the Bible and later history. Supposedly they were God's "chosen people" and for a while it seemed that one of the worst things another tribe could do was to threaten or hurt them. God visited a series of plagues on the Egyptians when they wouldn't "let my people go", then parted the waters for them to escape. Then he helped them to conquer Palestine (or whatever it was called then).
Then things started to go pear shaped for the unfortunate Jews. They got kicked out of their country and their temple destroyed by the Romans. No intervention from God. Then they were persecuted in just about every country they lived in. Still no intervention. And finally, the Nazis tried to exterminate all of them, and killed 6 million. Where was God? Absent, it seems.
Let's just take the Jews, from the Bible and later history. Supposedly they were God's "chosen people" and for a while it seemed that one of the worst things another tribe could do was to threaten or hurt them. God visited a series of plagues on the Egyptians when they wouldn't "let my people go", then parted the waters for them to escape. Then he helped them to conquer Palestine (or whatever it was called then).
Then things started to go pear shaped for the unfortunate Jews. They got kicked out of their country and their temple destroyed by the Romans. No intervention from God. Then they were persecuted in just about every country they lived in. Still no intervention. And finally, the Nazis tried to exterminate all of them, and killed 6 million. Where was God? Absent, it seems.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Voted no evidence because guess what... There is no evidence for Gods existence.
Though in my vote there is quite a lot of evidence to show no god exists.
And personally i think no evidence is the strongest argument against.
Though in my vote there is quite a lot of evidence to show no god exists.
And personally i think no evidence is the strongest argument against.
Treasure Hunter
Well-Known Member
No argument is needed. For anyone who sees the truth of this world, God does not want to exist. He wants to hide in the shadows so as to avoid judgment and condemnation.
The person who sees the truth but is unwilling to allow God to become completely hidden out of existence is the one who wants access to all possible resources. They are the one who makes sure to leave no stone unturned.
There are the many who allow God to be hidden out of existence and see themselves as truth seekers. Then there are the actual truth seekers.
The person who sees the truth but is unwilling to allow God to become completely hidden out of existence is the one who wants access to all possible resources. They are the one who makes sure to leave no stone unturned.
There are the many who allow God to be hidden out of existence and see themselves as truth seekers. Then there are the actual truth seekers.
No God of Abraham or no god period? If it's the latter, I'd be interested in seeing this evidence. Actually, I'd be interested in seeing evidence for either, but I'm more interested in the latter.
And no, "I've have not experienced God or I have no experience with God" does not count as evidence.
And yeah, I can see the 'suffering' argument in the former, but not in the latter, because you would be operating under the assumption that a god would be interested in interacting with or interfering in the world.
Ostronomos
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None of those arguments are sufficient to dismiss an omnipotent deity. The very quality of omnipotence renders any and all atheistic arguments moot. As I have stated before, science cannot bereft God despite our claims. It can only give logical proof in the form of a supertautology which is more than sufficient.
You are of course right, i should have capitalised the G though what i see as evidence against applies to any omni god
Evidence... Just a few
Futility of prayer.
E=MC2.
Childhood leukemia
The anophele mosquito
Even post #12?!
There are many theists that aren't Abrahamic and/or don't believe in the Abrahamic God.
First of all, futility is hardly evidence, but since you bring it up, the power of prayer is quite evident in those that believe. Just look at what neuroscience says about what prayer does in the brain. And the brain controls the body, no?
The theory of relativity disproves God? Show me.
In order to validate this as evidence for no God, you would have to provide supporting evidence that the leukemia in that child serves no other purpose. Despite God being irrelevant to my worldview, I believe everything happens for a reason. Don't you? And if it does, you would need to provide evidence that there is no being driving that purpose.
Okay, perhaps you're riffing off post #12...perhaps not. But I go back to what I said in the previous paragraph.
Ostronomos
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Ostronomos
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Again, you are trying to frame a Being of such infinite incomprehensible reality into your finite mind. I saw that thousands of people on the news died because of an earthquake and not even that does alters my (faith? No) knowledge of the fact that God is real/ exists.
I made a funny. If you take it as mocking, that says more about you than it does about me. I'm sorry you took it personally.
Well, that's such a compelling argument, I guess I have no choice but to concede my position. Thanks for setting me straight.
Making oneself feel good about doing nothing is not my idea of prayer
Omnipotence = infinite energy. If energy is infinite then mass could not exist. You are here therefore energy is not infinite, hence no omnipotence.
It is said God created everything (not just the good stuff). If God created childhood leukemia (or the mosquito) then it certainly isn't a caring god.
What is the reason for childhood leukemia?
Actually i am taking how God is described in the bible.
Did your god created that earthquake or was it a natural techtonic event?
Clearly, you don't understand how prayer works on the mind/body, and you've closed your mind to anything beyond your personal perspective.
But thanks for the meme.
So power = energy?
Or are we just defining terms to suit our own agenda? You there are believers that use the same tactic to support their own claims, yes?
It would be difficult to explain to someone that hasn't personally experienced the death of their own child. I personally have spent a good deal of time contemplating and meditating upon the reason cancer took my daughters life and I have come to terms with the experience. I'm not prepared to disqualify the existence of any gods because of her plight. God was actually quite important to her coping with her experience and subsequent death.
You are welcome
Yes, power is energy expended over time
Sorry to hear that.
A desire to describe God as the three omnis: Omnibenevolent, Omniscient, and Omnipotent. This creates a being that couldn't possibly exist as the creator of the world we live in.
I know my questions are pointed, mostly because a love a good debate over something I'm passionate about, but despite that, know that based on my getting to know you here, despite the fact that we don't see eye to eye on things, I do have much love and respect for you.
That said, as a result of my position and the respect I've earned from my team, I have power over them.
Do I also have energy over them?
I actually edited my post to be more precise.
It reads,
So yes, i guess you expend energy holding power over them.
And thanks for the kind words, where would this world be if we all agreed... No RF for starters