For myself, I think Divine Hiddenness is probably the best argument. If God exists, cares about us, wants us to know she's there...where the hell is she? Why doesn't she clearly communicate? Etc.
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Poll: The best argument against God, capital G.
- Thread starter dybmh
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I don’t know if it is what Christine meant, but while it doesn’t represent evidence against, it does offer an alternative to creation of the universe by fiat.
Its not it's evidence against omnipotence.
One cannot have infinite power (infinite energy expended over infinite time) qt the same time as mass (you and i and everything else physical)
All require energy to be expended over time.
No, that is not so. “Power” meaning potential or, indeed, social influence do not, since no work is done. In these cases, “power” describes a state of being rather than the result of a process, and this is why no work is done.
Power is the capacity to do work, no matter what the work is it requires energy, even you answering my post required energy.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That assumes everything is physical. Now you have the burden of proof for that.
There is, of course, no proof either way. Actually, logically it is up to those that believe to provide positive objective evidence for the existence of God.
That is not the principal or even secondary definition of the English lemma power. Note, if you will, how far down the line of senses (to wit, at sense 3-3) your definition is here:
power - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
That is not the principal or even secondary definition of the English lemma power. Note, if you will, how far down the line of senses (to wit, at sense 3-3) your definition is here:
power - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
en.m.wiktionary.org
Try using a dictionary (preferably the OED) not an unattributed blog that anyone can write and edit.
This case is about omnipotent. Not about some guy with a brass hat bossing people about. That of course also takes energy
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, here is another one.
Power Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary
POWER meaning: 1 : the ability or right to control people or things often + over; 2 : political control of a country or area
It is 4c there.
Definition of POWER
ability to act or produce an effect; ability to get extra-base hits; capacity for being acted upon or undergoing an effect… See the full definition
It is 6c there.
I will try one more.
power
1. ability to control people and events: 2. the amount of political control a…
It is the 10th there.
Wiktionary is an excellent dictionary. I am doubtful that the OED has “energy expended over time” as the principal sense. Please show me if it does. In any case, the sense you are indicating is “a measure of the rate of energy expended as a result of work being done”, and I would argue that this is the primary sense nowhere. I don’t have easy access to the OED, but here are other sources which, likewise, do not have your definition as primary:
Definition of POWER
ability to act or produce an effect; ability to get extra-base hits; capacity for being acted upon or undergoing an effect… See the full definition
Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!
power
1. ability to control people and events: 2. the amount of political control a…
Oh, I see. But God is generally not understood to be physical, so I'm not sure that applies.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
God told me He didn’t write it.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Yeah. Whoever answers the phone gets the cookie.
Write what? The Bible?
Wiktionary is an excellent dictionary. I am doubtful that the OED has “energy expended over time” as the principal sense. Please show me if it does. In any case, the sense you are indicating is “a measure of the rate of energy expended as a result of work being done”, and I would argue that this is the primary sense nowhere. I don’t have easy access to the OED, but here are other sources which, likewise, do not have your definition as primary:
Definition of POWER
ability to act or produce an effect; ability to get extra-base hits; capacity for being acted upon or undergoing an effect… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!www.dictionary.com
power
1. ability to control people and events: 2. the amount of political control a…dictionary.cambridge.org
Wiktionary can be edited by anyone with any agenda, errors deliberately introduced may be corrected at some time in the future, that leaves time where false/incorrect information is freely available. I most certainly would not call that excellent. I have no qualms about using it as a guide to be verified later but i would not use it as a source.
Primary or not, does it matter? or are you saying god is only omnipotent in certain definitions of power and not in others?
Yes , this was the beginning of the end for me.
Or, as I used to put it in the first stages of my slipping away from theism: “Who in the f~(k needs a God who doesn’t do anything that I require of it, or make itself present in a time of need? Who in the Christ needs a ‘hidden God’?”
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To be omnipotent requires infinite power by definition, physical or not the claim of omnipotence still exists.
VoidCat
Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Yeah. There's a reason Bastet is my patron. Cats have been in my life and been there for me since forever and i myself am very catlike. I wasn't really surprised that I felt drawn to her or that she'd answer my prayers.
The christian god on the otherhand? I tried to make that work. Prayed frequently and all this. But no prayers were answered. Also I feel much more connected to the pagan gods then i do to Jesus
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