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Polls: Clinton Wins Second Debate by Narrower Margin than First

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Call out your own "bigotophobia" and "racistophobia"
I'm not afraid of bigots or racists: I'm disgusted by them. Totally disgusted. Why aren't you? Why are you OK with them flocking to Trump chanting "Build the wall!" or "Ban the Muslims"???

Why am I so passionate? Allow me to toot my own horn (toot, toot). I have been a part of the equal rights movement since I was the only white kid at Carver Jr High in my seventh Grade. I got to meet Marin Luther King Jr face to face that year in Jacksonville Fl, where he implored his "Blonde haired sister and Blue eyed brother" to spread the news of racial equality. I have the scar in my left hand for getting between a white racist and my black friend just after we were integrated in the middle of my eighth grade. I remember NOW's Orlando chapter being organized in my living room. So yeah, I have zero respect for bigots, racists and misogynists. I'm sorry if you have a problem with that. It's not that I don't have any racist friends. I do and they know exactly where I stand when it comes to that crap.

So no phobia. I understand racists, bigots and misogynists all too well. They comprise the basket of Deplorables and Trump is their Deplorable in Chief. I have absolutely no use for them. Yes, you can quote me on this.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
I'm not afraid of bigots or racists: I'm disgusted by them. Totally disgusted. Why aren't you? Why are you OK with them flocking to Trump chanting "Build the wall!" or "Ban the Muslims"???

Why am I so passionate? Allow me to toot my own horn (toot, toot). I have been a part of the equal rights movement since I was the only white kid at Carver Jr High in my seventh Grade. I got to meet Marin Luther King Jr face to face that year in Jacksonville Fl, where he implored his "Blonde haired sister and Blue eyed brother" to spread the news of racial equality. I have the scar in my left hand for getting between a white racist and my black friend just after we were integrated in the middle of my eighth grade. I remember NOW's Orlando chapter being organized in my living room. So yeah, I have zero respect for bigots, racists and misogynists. I'm sorry if you have a problem with that. It's not that I don't have any racist friends. I do and they know exactly where I stand when it comes to that crap.

So no phobia. I understand racists, bigots and misogynists all too well. They comprise the basket of Deplorables and Trump is their Deplorable in Chief. I have absolutely no use for them. Yes, you can quote me on this.

That is the equivalent of asking you in return why you would support Sharia Laws, or extreme Islam. They are highly unequal and unjust. It's like saying, "I believe in equality, therefore extreme Islam believers can believe what they want and treat women and everyone else "unequally."

There is a difference between a Muslim and Islam. Just as there is a difference between Islam and extreme Islam.

I don't think many are afraid of Muslims either. To claim one phobia as superior over another is "unequal."

To claim Trump supporters as "bigots," "islamaphobics," "racists" is "unequal." But there are "some" good ones you suggest.

There is much bigotry all over the political forums I perceive and all over the nation. If you like Trump, you're near guaranteed to be considered a womanizer, a bigot, racist. People are automatically being classified and judged. Are these folks who do such being bigots themselves? To me it seems many are being overly and extremely intolerant to anyone who supports Trump, and I know you have better judgement than that.

If someone supports a wall, and has nothing to do with racism or bigotry.. they are likely to be perceived as a bigot or racist whether they believe in wanting less drugs and crime coming in and out of the country. This is unequal and unjust.

Or as Hillary wants mandatory vaccinations, no exceptions for the entire country. This is not freedom, or equality. This strips anyone of their own conscience, their own beliefs, their own body, their own freedom of choice. This has already being done in parts of the country. This is bigotry. The unvaccinated are dangerous threats. This is bigotry, and not equal.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Does what is best for the refugees fit into the equation anywhere? I mean they are people, suffering people.

But I still think taking in refugees is good for the country, and good for the war on Isis. Full disclosure, I am Canadian. My country has taken in 25000 refugees, and we should be taking in a lot more. And we will.

But Isis wants to frame this conflict as a war between Islam and the west. Taking in refugees cuts to the core of that idea. And whether we want to admit it or not this is a war of ideas. Taking in refugees and making allies of Muslim nations is a more effective tool than bombs.

Taking in refugees is good strategically, it is good economically, and it is the right thing to do.

I would tend to agree with this, but I don't see how you de-radicalize them 100%. Basically, the killing them with kindness idea but historically it hasn't worked. You bring them somewhere and they get PTSD from the culture shock and go rogue. (See Sweden, or Germany) Also, do you happen to know the size of an average Muslim family (just like the old days, as many as they can... generally... 20 something people)? It's a burden for any nation to take them in, and the USA is already bleeding out economically. I never have personally argued against taking refugees for any other reasons than this. There is no solution, and when they come they don't adapt or integrate. It's far worse to bring them here when either they don't like us or whatever. There are also health concerns as many of them are coming from third world crap holes that still have measles, plagues, leprosy, and a bunch of other illnesses. These diseases spread like wildfire, and some of them we no longer vaccinate against. You're inflicting this on the local population as well, how about some ebola for breakfast?

At that juncture, importing them skates really close to idiocy. It's not humanitarian to suicide yourself into the spinning knives.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Wrong, we prefer Clinton because she is likely to be stable. Not a grotesque nut job with his finger on the nuclear button

I agree, Clinton comes over as more stable and has long experience of government. Trump comes over as childish and unpredictable and is clueless about government.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
I would tend to agree with this, but I don't see how you de-radicalize them 100%. Basically, the killing them with kindness idea but historically it hasn't worked. You bring them somewhere and they get PTSD from the culture shock and go rogue. (See Sweden, or Germany) Also, do you happen to know the size of an average Muslim family (just like the old days, as many as they can... generally... 20 something people)? It's a burden for any nation to take them in, and the USA is already bleeding out economically. I never have personally argued against taking refugees for any other reasons than this. There is no solution, and when they come they don't adapt or integrate. It's far worse to bring them here when either they don't like us or whatever. There are also health concerns as many of them are coming from third world crap holes that still have measles, plagues, leprosy, and a bunch of other illnesses. These diseases spread like wildfire, and some of them we no longer vaccinate against. You're inflicting this on the local population as well, how about some ebola for breakfast?

At that juncture, importing them skates really close to idiocy. It's not humanitarian to suicide yourself into the spinning knives.

They do and would all get a medical screening though, but can see the other points.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Godo gets it. Seriously, I don't understand why any Muslim would support a guy who wants to throw Muslims (potentially including American citizens) out.

If not good Muslims and don't want to follow the USA laws, then yes they should leave otherwise behave.

If Trump gets into the Oval Office he'll be the real situation in America.

He'll be the right situation in America.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I agree, Clinton comes over as more stable and has long experience of government. Trump comes over as childish and unpredictable and is clueless about government.

Yes, let Obama take it for the 3rd term, he has 8 years of experience as a president.
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Completely.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Words still matter to me.

And what if many of them were members in the ISIS? will you still agree?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Watch it: your bias is showing. I bet you can't even see it which speaks volumes on volumes. Of course he and you don't see the answer. The problem with Islamaphobia in America is people like you don't even see it.

Where I was biased?, I'm just explaining Trump's point and which is correct, the reason that Islamophobia exists
is the radical Muslim terrorists and the media fueling it.
 

mojtaba

Active Member
I saw the debate( second one ). I became surprised when they started to talk about bad of each other and I was so sorry.

Anyway, thanks to Trump because of his true saying that Obama and Hillari are those who created Daesh, and Asad, Iran and Russia are fighting against Daesh. And also, he asked a rational question that why they inform Daesh about the place that they want to attack.
 
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Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Where I was biased?,
Of course you don't see it. That was my point. Phobias are the direct result of ignorance spread by FUDDD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Distortion and Defamation). You've become one with the FUDDD and can't even see how you have now become a part of theproblem. Good job. Fear mongering relies on sheeple obliviously spreading the hate and the FUDDD.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Of course you don't see it. That was my point. Phobias are the direct result of ignorance spread by FUDDD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Distortion and Defamation). You've become one with the FUDDD and can't even see how you have now become a part of theproblem. Good job. Fear mongering relies on sheeple obliviously spreading the hate and the FUDDD.

And how I was biased, I can't see where I was biased, would you pleaseeee explain to me to whom I was biased
and how your explanation of how the cause of the phobia proves that I was biased?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Yes, probably. Depends a bit on what the plan looks like.
I live in Indiana, the state that Trump's running mate is governor. He tried to pass legislation barring any Syrian refugees. Fortunately the courts overturned that nonsense.

I honestly am not particularly in favor of bringing many refugees to the west. I think they'd be better off staying closer to home, both geographically and culturally. But the Islamic world appears to be a hostile place. So if they want to leave it behind, I wouldn't stop them. If they want to come here I am fine with that. As long as the government vets them appropriately and they get some support I see no problems.

Here's the thing. We already have many millions of refugees. The enormous majority are undocumented Mexicans. They are not screened in any way and there is little official interest in helping them get acclimated. They generally don't cause as much trouble per person as the natives. The Syrians would be vetted, and hooked up with local mosques, churches and community organizations to help them get settled and on their feet.
I am just fine with a few thousand coming to my home state, in an organized and legal way.
Tom

And what if they were soldiers of the ISIS coming to you as refugees?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Where I was biased?, I'm just explaining Trump's point and which is correct, the reason that Islamophobia exists
is the radical Muslim terrorists and the media fueling it.
Since the WTC atrocity in 2001 there have been 18 death attributable to Islamic Terrorism in the US.

How many have been killed by US police in the same time?
2016 - to date 107
2015 - 506
2014 - 603
...I could go on.
Perhaps we should build a wall round police stations and ban all police from entering the US
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
If not good Muslims and don't want to follow the USA laws, then yes they should leave otherwise behave.



He'll be the right situation in America.
Many Muslims have their own laws for Muslims on US soil. If people disagree with this, they get called bigots and racists.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Since the WTC atrocity in 2001 there have been 18 death attributable to Islamic Terrorism in the US.

How many have been killed by US police in the same time?
2016 - to date 107
2015 - 506
2014 - 603
...I could go on.
Perhaps we should build a wall round police stations and ban all police from entering the US

Why they were killed by the police?
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
Since the WTC atrocity in 2001 there have been 18 death attributable to Islamic Terrorism in the US.

How many have been killed by US police in the same time?
2016 - to date 107
2015 - 506
2014 - 603
...I could go on.
Perhaps we should build a wall round police stations and ban all police from entering the US

To be honest, that really has no relevance to what was said.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
Since the WTC atrocity in 2001 there have been 18 death attributable to Islamic Terrorism in the US.

How many have been killed by US police in the same time?
2016 - to date 107
2015 - 506
2014 - 603
...I could go on.
Perhaps we should build a wall round police stations and ban all police from entering the US

The wall is for Mexico, to help prevent the flow of crime and illegal drugs and illegal immigrants.
 
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