mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Here is what he demanded:
And here is his view of Ukraine:
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Here is what he demanded:
And here is his view of Ukraine:
an anarchist
Your local loco.
Because Zelensky has already made a peace proposal?
That Russia cease their invasion of Ukraine?
that is a good price for peace.
Or insignificant pieces of lands are worth the lives of hundreds of thousands of Russians?
I am honestly trying to understand your point of view.
Yes. Because the American élites paid them so they refuse peace proposals and they keep fighting to the last Ukrainian.
In Europe something incredibly modern and democratic exists, called referendum.
Those four regions made referendums, deciding to be independent from Kiev.
You can repeat the referendum 100 times, if you wish.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, have you read the article? Do you understand what full demilitarization means in practice?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
It wasn't internationally done. You do understand that a state can cheat, right?
Then make referendums under the EU's supervision.
Yes. Evidently Putin is afraid that the NATO uses Ukraine as military colony to attack Russia.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
Yea @mikkel_the_dane go and do it now pls
We Never Know
No Slack
Being both women and men can be raped
Do you mean...
Would you suggest to 'people' that they should give up and consent to rapists instead of fighting back in self defense?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Referendums under coercion are obviously invalid.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
Seems like an odd point to focus on. I feel like there is some missing context in this exchange, but oh well.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. Just strange point I think.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Not now as ethical cleansing defacto have already happened and getting back to pre 2014 population won't be possible.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
True.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
What do you mean?
The EU can be the promoter of a treaty of peace and supervise these referendums in those four regions.
Donbas, Zaporozhe, Kharkiv.
The EU will prevent any kind of coercion and intimidation.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
I’m being a goof.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but that contradict the wish of Ukraine to join Nato. And you do now what happens if Nato attacks Russia or so in reverse?
So yes, Ukraine wants to be safe and join Nato.
Source?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That should have happen before 2014. If Putin had asked for that for the 5 regions and a general vote on membership of Nato, he would have gotten his will.