Poor Hungary ;-)

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, but that contradict the wish of Ukraine to join Nato. And you do now what happens if Nato attacks Russia or so in reverse?

So yes, Ukraine wants to be safe and join Nato.

Ukraine needs to join the European Union before joining the NATO.
So the EU will cleanse the country from corrupt people, and from bribed rulers.

No corruption...in Ukraine.

 

[Estro Felino]

That should have happen before 2014. If Putin had asked for that for the 5 regions and a general vote on membership of Nato, he would have gotten his will.

Stoltenberg said that the war started in 2014...and since 2014 NATO have been aiding and abetting Ukrainians.

So it's the NATO who want to use Ukraine as pawn to attack and conquer Russia...not the other way around.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Source?

Vladimir Putin’s Ukrainian genocide is proceeding in plain view

Western policymakers should be in no doubt that the many different Russian war crimes currently taking place in Ukraine are all part of a coherent plan developed by Vladimir Putin to commit genocide.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Make whatever you want of it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Ukraine needs to join the European Union before joining the NATO.
So the EU will cleanse the country from corrupt people, and from bribed rulers.

No corruption...in Ukraine.

You don't decide that.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Stoltenberg said that the war started in 2014...and since 2014 NATO have been aiding and abetting Ukrainians.

So it's the NATO who want to use Ukraine as pawn to attack and conquer Russia...not the other way around.

How did the war start and how did it involve the 5 regions?

 

[Stevicus]

Well, if it is anything like one of his proposal for peace talks, then it is in effect a defacto surrender of Ukraine.
He demanded as a precondition for peace talks that Ukraine moved out of all 4 regions and dismantled their military forces in toto. Then they could talk peace.

Maybe, although at this point, he may be willing to drop that demand. We're not necessarily just dealing with Putin's demands, but with Russian demands, as I think Putin is under a great deal of pressure from his own faction to get them out of the mess that they're in. I don't believe he's entirely his own man at this point. China could also be exerting pressure from behind the scenes. But even then, I don't think it's realistic to believe that the Russians would totally give in, even if Putin is drummed out of power.

Both sides might have to make some concessions, and neither side will likely get everything they want. But that's often how peace settlements are forged.

 

[Estro Felino]

You don't decide that.

My country is a founding member of the EU.

 

[Estro Felino]

How did the war start and how did it involve the 5 regions?

The Kiev regime started harassing and discriminating against Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
The separatists fought for independence and the Kiev regime started killing the separatists.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes. Evidently Putin is afraid that the NATO uses Ukraine as military colony to attack Russia.

NATO is defensive. Most civilized nations don't invade and occupy other nations without provocation.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Maybe, although at this point, he may be willing to drop that demand. We're not necessarily just dealing with Putin's demands, but with Russian demands, as I think Putin is under a great deal of pressure from his own faction to get them out of the mess that they're in. I don't believe he's entirely his own man at this point. China could also be exerting pressure from behind the scenes. But even then, I don't think it's realistic to believe that the Russians would totally give in, even if Putin is drummed out of power.

Both sides might have to make some concessions, and neither side will likely get everything they want. But that's often how peace settlements are forged.

Well, I am not going to speculate on that as I have no insight into that. But yes, it would seem that a compromise will have to be done.

 

[Father Heathen]

The Kiev regime started harassing and discriminating against Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
The separatists fought for independence and the Kiev regime started killing the separatists.

Source?

 

[Estro Felino]

NATO is defensive. Most civilized nations don't invade and occupy other nations without provocation.

The NATO is a warmongering organization that violates the constitutions of Italy, Germany...and so many other countries.

 

[Father Heathen]

The EU can be the promoter of a treaty of peace and supervise these referendums in those four regions.
Donbas, Zaporozhe, Kharkiv.
The EU will prevent any kind of coercion and intimidation.

And if they declined to join Russia, would Putin respect that outcome? I doubt it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Source?

The sources I have are in Italian. Do you want them?

 

[Estro Felino]

And if they declined to join Russia, would Putin respect that outcome? I doubt it.

Putin will be forced to sign to respect the outcome before that happens.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The Kiev regime started harassing and discriminating against Russian speaking people in Ukraine.

Evidence?

 

[Father Heathen]

The NATO is a warmongering organization that violates the constitutions of Italy, Germany...and so many other countries.

What wars were started by NATO?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

My country is a founding member of the EU.
With all due respect...if there is a Dexit, nobody will care.

You are not Italy, the EU or Europe how much you may believe that.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The Kiev regime started harassing and discriminating against Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
The separatists fought for independence and the Kiev regime started killing the separatists.

Evidence? Actual international sources and no Youtube videos.

 

[Estro Felino]

What wars were started by NATO?

Well...the NATO started the Iraqi War on the basis of fake evidence.
The fake vial.

Russia Recalls Colin Powell’s Anthrax Vial Stunt Amid US Claims of Planned ‘False Flag’ in Ukraine

On Thursday, Pentagon and State Department officials told reporters that the US military had intelligence that Russia was working on fake videos of Ukrainian aggression in the Donbass region which could serve as a pretext for a Russian...

sputnikglobe.com