Poor Hungary ;-)

[Shadow Wolf]

I have always pointed out that it was elitist groups who probably make up the 0.0002% of the US population-
So are you saying I am not allowed to speak of this 0.0002 %?

You know what I'm talking about. It's things like straight guys being pariah, Americans wanting to go to war against Putin and wouldn't mind if Europe gets nuked.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

42 pro-Russian separatists died in that building.
Did they commit suicide?
Or were they killed?

We will take it one section at a time:
"In early 2014, there were clashes between rival groups of protestors in the Ukrainian city of Odesa, during the pro-Russian unrest that followed the Ukrainian Revolution.[21][22] The street clashes were between pro-revolution ('pro-Maidan') protesters and anti-revolution ('anti-Maidan'), pro-Russian protesters. Violence erupted on 2 May, when a 'United Ukraine' rally of about 2,000 was attacked by about 300 pro-Russian separatists.[23] Stones, petrol bombs and gunfire were exchanged. A pro-Russian gunman shot dead a pro-Ukraine protester.[24] Another pro-Ukraine activist and four pro-Russia activists were shot dead in the clashes.[25][26][27][28] The pro-Ukraine group then moved to dismantle a pro-Russian protest camp in Kulykove Pole, causing some pro-Russian activists to barricade themselves in the nearby Trade Unions House. Shots were fired from the building at the pro-Ukraine group,[24] and the pro-Ukrainians attempted to storm the building, which caught fire as the two groups threw petrol bombs at each other.[29][30][31]"

 

[Estro Felino]

, Americans wanting to go to war against Putin and wouldn't mind if Europe gets nuked.

I meant that 0.0002%.

 

[Estro Felino]

We will take it one section at a time:
"In early 2014, there were clashes between rival groups of protestors in the Ukrainian city of Odesa, during the pro-Russian unrest that followed the Ukrainian Revolution.[21][22] The street clashes were between pro-revolution ('pro-Maidan') protesters and anti-revolution ('anti-Maidan'), pro-Russian protesters. Violence erupted on 2 May, when a 'United Ukraine' rally of about 2,000 was attacked by about 300 pro-Russian separatists.[23] Stones, petrol bombs and gunfire were exchanged. A pro-Russian gunman shot dead a pro-Ukraine protester.[24] Another pro-Ukraine activist and four pro-Russia activists were shot dead in the clashes.[25][26][27][28] The pro-Ukraine group then moved to dismantle a pro-Russian protest camp in Kulykove Pole, causing some pro-Russian activists to barricade themselves in the nearby Trade Unions House. Shots were fired from the building at the pro-Ukraine group,[24] and the pro-Ukrainians attempted to storm the building, which caught fire as the two groups threw petrol bombs at each other.[29][30][31]"

The fact that those people were not rescued by firefighters clearly shows that the Government wanted them dead.

 

[Estro Felino]

I hope this isn't censored too.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The fact that those people were not rescued by firefighters clearly shows that the Government wanted them dead.

That doesn't follow as there were people with guns around. It is standard firefighter practice to not to go to fire, where they can get in danger due to attackers being present.
Now to know what you claim you have to give evidence, including the actual rules of how to respond in such cases and what the actual firefighter have to say.

Since you understand logic, here is your invalid deduction:
P1: The firefighter didn't put out the fire.
C: That is because the government want them dead.
You have studied philosophy and you know that is not a valid deduction. Try again.

 

[Estro Felino]

That doesn't follow as there were people with guns around. It is standard firefighter practice to not to go to fire, where they can get in danger due to attackers being present.
Now to know what you claim you have to give evidence, including the actual rules of how to respond in such cases and what the actual firefighter have to say.

Since you understand logic, here is your invalid deduction:
P1: The firefighter didn't put out the fire.
C: That is because the government want them dead.
You have studied philosophy and you know that is not a valid deduction. Try again.

I don't need to convince you.
I know several lawyers who have got documents, testimonies, and recordings from Odesa.
They are preserved in a safe place.
Period.
Okay...I respect your opinion.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I hope this isn't censored too.

Okay, now he then have to convince both parties to do as he wants in regards to achieve peace. But he can't demand that they must do so, because he says so.
So in the end, it comes down to the 2 parties in the war and to a lesser part, their allies.
If a neutral 3rd party is needed, then the 2 parties must agree on that.

 

[Estro Felino]

Okay, now he then have to convince both parties to do as he wants in regards to achieve peace. But he can't demand that they must do so, because he says so.
So in the end, it comes down to the 2 parties in the war and to a lesser part, their allies.
If a neutral 3rd party is needed, then the 2 parties must agree on that.

I hope Denmark didn't outlaw Orban...for his "pro-peace" views...

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't need to convince you.
I know several lawyers who have got documents, testimonies, and recordings from Odesa.
They are preserved in a safe place.
Period.
Okay...I respect your opinion.

Yeah, I don't respect you or your opinion, because I don't do respect as such. I accept you as a fellow human with rights and all that. But I neither respect or disrespect you. As for trust, I don't trust you. Make of that what you want.

Give me a link to a text that is not from you. What you write, I don't trust when it is not about you. Report me if you feel like it or put me on ignore or whatever. No smile for you.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Orban is great.
The truth is that the EU is walking on thin ice...and because of their intransigence...they will see the EU collapse like a house of cards.

Having wet dreams again?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The problem here is that so many Europeans are sick and tired of the Ukrainian war because it is damaging our economies...so it will ultimately cause protests, revolts, strikes.

Who, and where, are these "many" europeans?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well, I noticed that Putin has said he's ready to talk peace

It's not really convincing when you say such things while bombing hospitals and playgrounds.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The kings of the past used to fight themselves and die in the battlefield, if necessary.

At least Zelenski visited the front lines, while Putin hides in his golden palace.
But for some reason, you don't complain about that.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Would you suggest to women that they should give up and consent to rapists instead of fighting back in self defense?

Hey, being penetrated against your will is a good price for not being beaten to the brink of death....

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes. Because the American élites paid them so they refuse peace proposals and they keep fighting to the last Ukrainian.

Evidence of this wild claim required

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In Europe something incredibly modern and democratic exists, called referendum.

Those four regions made referendums, deciding to be independent from Kiev.
You can repeat the referendum 100 times, if you wish.

We only need to repeat it once legally.
Which is to say: all actual inhabitants get to choose freely, with UN supervision and without staring down the barrel of a gun. Like last time.

 

[Estro Felino]

Having wet dreams again?

Speaking of virility, I guess I prefer Orban.

Est-ce que je devrais préférer Macron LeBonBon?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The EU can be the promoter of a treaty of peace and supervise these referendums in those four regions.
Donbas, Zaporozhe, Kharkiv.
The EU will prevent any kind of coercion and intimidation.

Here's the problem: Russia won't allow it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Who, and where, are these "many" europeans?

The AfD, for example. Who is on the rise.