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Poor Hungary ;-)

mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Estro Felino said:
So Wikipedia confesses it's territorial controversy.
For many people on the left who hate Putin...it's a matter of life and death.
They all sounds like they will commit a mass suicide, in case Putin wins.

In case he loses, my life won't change. I will still support peace between Ukraine and Russia.
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I really don't care about your life in regards to that war.
And I don't care about your phantasies about other people.

So try something else.
Like answering with an actual quote with inline sources about the murders in Donbass. And remember in English with sources.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Estro Felino said:
Well...the Left's hypocrisy and incoherence hides an agenda.

I mean...they say...they want the Gazan War to stop because they want no more Gazans to die.
But they are the same people who want the Ukrainian War to continue UNDEFINITEDLY no matter how Ukrainians die.

It's twisted. It's impious.
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Whatever.
Now again - evidence for the murders in the Donbass. Actual quote from an English language site with online sources.

More from the link you gave, my bold:
"In March 2014, following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, anti-revolution and pro-Russian protests began in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, collectively 'the Donbas'. These began as Russia invaded Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatists seized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states, leading to conflict with Ukrainian forces.[25] Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists",[26][27] but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.[28] In April 2014, Ukraine launched a counter-offensive, called the "Anti-Terrorist Operation"[29] (ATO), later renamed the "Joint Forces Operation" (JFO).[30][31] By August 2014, Ukraine had re-taken most separatist-held territory and nearly regained control of the Russia–Ukraine border.[32] In response, Russia covertly sent troops, tanks and artillery into the Donbas.[33][34][35] The Russian incursion helped pro-Russian forces regain much of the territory they had lost.[30][36][37]"
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Whatever.
Now again - evidence for the murders in the Donbass. Actual quote from an English language site with online sources.

More from the link you gave, my bold:
"In March 2014, following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, anti-revolution and pro-Russian protests began in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, collectively 'the Donbas'. These began as Russia invaded Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatists seized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states, leading to conflict with Ukrainian forces.[25] Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists",[26][27] but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.[28] In April 2014, Ukraine launched a counter-offensive, called the "Anti-Terrorist Operation"[29] (ATO), later renamed the "Joint Forces Operation" (JFO).[30][31] By August 2014, Ukraine had re-taken most separatist-held territory and nearly regained control of the Russia–Ukraine border.[32] In response, Russia covertly sent troops, tanks and artillery into the Donbas.[33][34][35] The Russian incursion helped pro-Russian forces regain much of the territory they had lost.[30][36][37]"
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I will answer: Whatever. :)
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Estro Felino said:
I had brought the evidence of the Massacre of Odesa where unarmed separatists were murdered.
And you simply ignored it.
it.wikipedia.org

Incendio della Casa dei sindacati di Odessa - Wikipedia

it.wikipedia.org it.wikipedia.org

What is the point of debating with you...when you ignore the evidence? :)
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In English please. You gave a link in English but no quote from it.
Here is the Wiki assessment of it:
"This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably. When this tag was added, its readable prose size was 20,712 words. Consider splitting content into sub-articles, condensing it, or adding subheadings. Please discuss this issue on the article's talk page. (May 2024)"

Now just as you wouldn't read the article I gave, I won't read all of it you gave. Rather I know from past encounters with your sources that they may not say what you claim they say.
So please read and find yourself and quote the actual place where it is explained with inline sources.

So again, in English. If long then your rule applies and the person giving the link do the quoting from the link.
So still waiting for the murders in the Donbass.

And for the English version of the Italian one you gave.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Estro Felino said:
What is the point of debating with you...when you ignore the evidence? :)
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You say that but you yourself refuse to accept reality and defer to your beliefs, such as your idea of an American that still, despite the corrections, remain as inaccurate as me saying Italians are plumbers with a thing for crawling in pipes, all have a thing for gluttonous consumption of fly amanita, and ya'll go around jumping on turtles all the time, amd have a cartoonishly bad accent when speaking English.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Estro Felino said:
It's not my fault if we Italians are the only Europeans who deal with the truth, when it deals with what happened in Ukraine prior to 2022...
whereas many others plead the fifth, because they know they are in bad faith.
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Okay, that is without evidence and I know there is an article out there on Odessa in English as you have linked to it in the past. But I am not doing your evidence for you. And remember the full timeline.
Where did what happen and when?
Not just some isolated incident. Context and sources.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
You say that but you yourself refuse to accept reality and defer to your beliefs, such as your idea of an American that still, despite the corrections, remain as inaccurate as me saying Italians are plumbers with a thing for crawling in pipes, all have a thing for gluttonous consumption of fly amanita, and ya'll go around jumping on turtles all the time, amd have a cartoonishly bad accent when speaking English.
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I have always pointed out that it was elitist groups who probably make up the 0.0002% of the US population-
So are you saying I am not allowed to speak of this 0.0002 %? ;)
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Okay, that is without evidence and I know there is an article out there on Odessa in English as you have linked to it in the past. But I am not doing your evidence for you. And remember the full timeline.
Where did what happen and when?
Not just some isolated incident. Context and sources.
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The difference between me and you is that you once linked me an article in Danish and I translated into English it because I don't speak Danish.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Estro Felino said:
I have always pointed out that it was elitist groups who probably make up the 0,0002% of the US population-
So are you saying I am not allowed to speak of this 0,0002? ;)
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Yeah and that is why you make posts like this:
Estro Felino said:
It's not my fault if we Italians are the only Europeans who deal with the truth, when it deals with what happened in Ukraine prior to 2022...
whereas many others plead the fifth, because they know they are in bad faith.
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Here you are talking about non-Italian Europeans in general. And I have seen posts about you where you do the same for ordinary Americans. E.g. that they hate Putin. And when asked for evidence you ignore that.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Estro Felino said:
The difference between me and you is that you once linked me an article in Danish and I translated into English it because I don't speak Danish.
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Yeah, that was about a Danish political party. Now if you give me an article about the same in Italy I would do the same. But this is not about an internal Italian matter. This is about Ukraine and thus since this is an English speaking site do it in English or Ukrainian if you really can do that.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Yeah, that was about a Danish political party. Now if you give me an article about the same in Italy I would do the same. But this is not about an internal Italian matter. This is about Ukraine and thus since this is an English speaking site do it in English or Ukrainian if you really can do that.
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No comment.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Stevicus said:
I'm reminded of times during the Cold War when there were those who spoke of Russia and the USSR in terms of Bible prophecy, which also fed into perceptions of America and our role in God's alleged master plan and grand design. The idea is that God has blessed America, while Russia is considered some sort of evil "demonic" state. The same idea also feeds into notions that the U.S. must give absolute and unconditional support to Israel, because that, too, is part of God's will.

I don't really believe any of that, and I'm not sure how many people actually do believe it. But there are some. But now, Russia seems to have had a resurgence in Christianity. Do Christians in the U.S. or Europe see that as a sign that Russia is now on their side? That may explain some aspects of why some on the Christian Right might seem more sympathetic, although that's just speculation on my part.
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I believe it's speculation on your part for the most part, though I am sure there are some people somewhere in the US who believe that.

I don't read Revelations often because I can't find any representation of the US anywhere, and frankly that scares me. Also, because I just don't care for it.
 
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