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Poor Hungary ;-)

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Such things would be unheard of in the U.S. The Communist Party was and still is legal in the U.S., but pretty much isolated and shut out of the political arena. Its members were hounded and persecuted on a regular basis. Nowadays, I think most people see it as irrelevant, but it doesn't appear to produce the same visceral, witch-burning mob reaction that it once did.
I can imagine.
The cold war....is something almost irrational and slightly unhinged.

I mean...that's what happened.
1945
USA to Russia: that's beautiful Russia, we won WW2.

5 seconds later
USA to Russia: now we have defeated the Nazis, you're our enemy, Russia

Did they decide to become our enemy, or did we decide to become their enemy? And who decides these things anyway?
The second. The elitist cabal of warmongers living in the USA saw Russia as the place where the infectious poison called Socialism could spread from...cross the Strait of Bering and arrive in the Americas.
So Russia was considered the Devil.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Of course not.
That is why Ukraine needs to join the European Union, so Russians cope with the fact that Ukraine is an independent and sovereign country.
But if the price of this freedom is these 4 regions plus Crimea, let's give them to them.

You can't give those regions to Russia. Even Italy itself can't do that. So stop talking as if you have any actual say in that. And, no, I have neither an actual say in that.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
"Video unavailable
The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

I guess they don't want Americans to see it.
Yes...it's from an Italian media.

It's Orban who basically says he is working for peace in Europe between Russia and Ukraine. He is speaking in English, because that's how we communicate between Europeans. :)
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Well, I don't claim I am a part of that, since I am not in any meaningful sense we, the West.

And I won't speculate about it, because you and I are fundamentally not on the same page as to what this war is about.
That's for sure...
I believe this war was organized by a devilish elitist circle living in both shores of the Atlantic in order to weaken Russia and to subdue her.
Something both grotesque and demonic.

I dare not imagine what you believe this war is about.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
That's for sure...
I believe this war was organized by a devilish elitist circle living in both shores of the Atlantic in order to weaken Russia and to subdue her.
Something both grotesque and demonic.

I dare not imagine what you believe this war is about.

Whatever.
"During the recent Direct Line, when I was asked about Russian-Ukrainian relations, I said that Russians and Ukrainians were one people – a single whole. These words were not driven by some short-term considerations or prompted by the current political context. It is what I have said on numerous occasions and what I firmly believe. I therefore feel it necessary to explain my position in detail and share my assessments of today's situation."

So make peace with that firm belief.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Then make referendums under the EU's supervision.
Referendums and votes conducted when someone is invading your home, carried out by the invader and when someone is pointing a gun at you are not valid. This is why even EU states do not accept those Russian faux votes as valid.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Whatever.
"During the recent Direct Line, when I was asked about Russian-Ukrainian relations, I said that Russians and Ukrainians were one people – a single whole. These words were not driven by some short-term considerations or prompted by the current political context. It is what I have said on numerous occasions and what I firmly believe. I therefore feel it necessary to explain my position in detail and share my assessments of today's situation."

So make peace with that firm belief.
When someone like Draghi says we need to spend more cash on warfare, I can put two and two together.

I am 100% sure you admire this man whose surname means Dragons. Not just one. Many.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
When someone like Draghi says we need to spend more cash on warfare, I can put two and two together.

I am 100% sure you admire this man whose surname means Dragons. Not just one. Many.

Whatever.
Here is the starting paragraf from the Wiki article you linked to:
"The war in Donbas,[c] also known as the Donbas war, was a phase of the Russo-Ukrainian War in the Donbas region of Ukraine. The war began in April 2014, when a commando unit headed by Russian citizen Igor Girkin seized Sloviansk in Donetsk oblast.[20][21][6][22] The Ukrainian military launched an operation against them.[23][5] The war continued until subsumed by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022.[24]"
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
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