pope made homophobic slur

[SalixIncendium]

No surprise here.

Finally you're here!!

These threads just aren't the same until you get here to add to the pile.

 

[Viker]

For goodness sake.

They are sin.

This is the RCC.

This is still the USA. Constitution still applies.

I don't believe sin exists. It's some vague ancient imaginary issue.

 

[libre]

Unless you are part of the RCC, the Pope's views and RCC doctrine have nil effect on you at all.

I went to schools operated by the RCC wherein I was taught to hate myself in accordance with RCC doctrine.
I was also treated sadistically and abusively by those in positions of power using that doctrine as justification.

Suffice it to say that I do not appreciate being condescended to about how RCC doctrine affects me or will affect other queer youth.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes. But he knows to separate out Catholic doctrine from US policy and law.

Ah! Correct. Its not all catholics.
But if its the RCC way, is Biden really a catholic?

 

[Rival]

I went to schools operated by the RCC wherein I was taught to hate myself in accordance with RCC doctrine.
I was also treated sadistically and abusively by those in positions of power using that doctrine as justification.

Suffice it to say that I do not appreciate being condescended to about how RCC doctrine affects me or will affect other queer youth.

In other words, they just taught you Catholic doctrine.

They are not going to stop doing that.

 

[Viker]

Ah! Correct. Its not all catholics.
But if its the RCC way, is Biden really a catholic?

He's really a Catholic. Until they'd give him the boot I suppose.

 

[Rival]

This is still the USA. Constitution still applies.

I don't believe sin exists. It's some vague ancient imaginary issue.

Wow, that you thought the Pope was referring just to the USA.

There are seminaries all over. The Pope cares about the seminarians not sinning.

That's it.

If you don't get that, that's a you problem.

 

[libre]

I was also treated sadistically and abusively by those in positions of power using that doctrine as justification.

In other words, they just taught you Catholic doctrine.

Are you for real right now?

 

[Rival]

Are you for real right now?

If they abused you, that's not due to their religion. That's due to being abusive. Abusers justify themselves using religion, which is horrendous, but regular people, whether 'homophobic' or not, do not tend to be abusive just on that basis.

So this thread is not addressing that.

I'm sorry it happened.

 

[Viker]

Wow, that you thought the Pope was referring just to the USA.

There are seminaries all over. The Pope cares about the seminarians not sinning.

That's it.

If you don't get that, that's a you problem.

No. I was referring to how RCC doctrine can and has influenced current policy, all over the world, which includes the US. Outdated, baseless, hateful (Leviticus 18:22) unwanted doctrine.

 

[Rival]

No. I was referring to how RCC doctrine can and has influenced current policy, all over the world, which includes the US. Outdated, baseless, hateful (Leviticus 18:22) unwanted doctrine.

Back to this.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think that there are too many contradictions in this Papacy: https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...hose-who-criticise-lgbt-blessings-2024-02-07/

He has always shown so much openness towards LGBT people and then he uses two terms that Roman comedians use to make fun of gays.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because I think they are wrong.

But I don't give them derogatory words.

Is that what you think I'm doing? Calling people names just because I think they're wrong?

So.... you shouldn't give me one.

I've made a point throughout this thread not to refer to you as a homophobe.

 

[Viker]

Back to this.

You can't avoid that. And you won't address it either. The entire basis for the Bible's handling of homosexuality. It's sole reason.

 

[Rival]

Is that what you think I'm doing? Calling people names just because I think they're wrong?

I mean, it seems like it.

I've made a point throughout this thread not to refer to you as a homophobe.

You have repeatedly used the word in various iterations which I believe are being misapplied. Calling my beliefs homophobic is the equivalent, when you said:

If you feel discomfort in discussing the Catholic Church's homophobia because you identify with their homophobic views and doctrines, some self-reflection is probably in order.

I took this as you calling me homophobic.

 

[Rival]

You can't avoid that. And you won't address it either. The entire basis for the Bible's handling of homosexuality. It's sole reason.

I have addressed this.

It's not the Catholic Church, it's individual Catholics who are allowed their views.

The Vatican isn't going in and messing with courts and governments.

 

[Koldo]

Yes, he's watching against illicit sex acts by which gay men may be tempted.

He's trying to prevent sin.

Implying heterosexual men aren't just as likely to be tempted... on what grounds?

Women are more likely to attend Church service.

 

[Koldo]

You too.

I see you delight in mocking me in schoolyard behaviour.

What a wonderful example of tolerance.

I am not mocking anyone.

 

[Rival]

Implying heterosexual men aren't just as likely to be tempted... on what grounds?

Women are more likely to attend Church service.

In case you somehow aren't aware, Catholic seminaries are male only. This is what Francis was talking about.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I mean, it seems like it.

Generally, I reserve terms like "homophobe" for those who try to hurt or exclude others based on their views.

I don't call people names if all they do is personally disagree with something as long as they don't do anything to interfere with other people's lives.

You have repeatedly used the word in various iterations which I believe are being misapplied.

Which ones do you think are misapplied?

Calling my beliefs homophobic is the equivalent, when you said:



I took this as you calling me homophobic.

Are you trying to prevent LGBTQ people from living in peace? Are you trying to deny same-sex couples legal marriage rights? Are you trying to exclude gay men from an organization you lead or belong to?

The Catholic Church is doing all of these things.