pope made homophobic slur

[Rival]

Homophobes have the right to express their views. Likewise, everyone else has the right to say exactly what they think of those homophobic views. In turn, the homophobes have the right to say what they think about the criticism of their views, etc., etc.

Just rubbing it in I see.

Not dealing with your crap anymore.

Or your nasty name calling.

I'd prefer 'Traditionalist', which is what I call myself, which is the courtesy I give you and your fellows.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Sure, but I was referencing the UK parliament here, which Eddi referenced.

I don't know about outside of Europe.

Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying; I thought you were talking generally.

 

[Rival]

Why would you ever need to express a derogatory opinion of people who approve of same-sex marriages?

Because I think they are wrong.

But I don't give them derogatory words.

So.... you shouldn't give me one.

 

[Rival]

Ever heard of the Supreme Court of the United States? It's now mostly RCC and now mostly conservative partisan. I don't see your statement as realistic at all. Evangelicals and Catholics are shaping policy as of right now. These policies absolutely are directed at me and impose upon me.

So what? They are allowed to do this, as I said above.

I don't like that my country allows abortion and gay marriages, but they're allowed to do that if that's what voted on. I think it's vile but here we are.

 

[Koldo]

No surprise here.

No surprise here.

 

[We Never Know]

Ever heard of the Supreme Court of the United States? It's now mostly RCC and now mostly conservative partisan. I don't see your statement as realistic at all. Evangelicals and Catholics are shaping policy as of right now. These policies absolutely are directed at me and impose upon me.

Isn't Biden catholic?

 

[Viker]

So what? They are allowed to do this, as I said above.

I don't like that my country allows abortion and gay marriages, but they're allowed to do that if that's what voted on. I think it's vile but here we are.

In my country, one of founding principles, one that's helped hold us together is being abandoned. Things like separation of church and state and freedom of religion, even freedom from religion (freedom from another's religion) if one wishes.

 

[Viker]

Isn't Biden catholic?

Yes. But he knows to separate out Catholic doctrine from US policy and law.

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

Doesn't surprise me

 

[Rival]

In my country, one of founding principles, one that's helped hold us together is being abandoned. Things like separation of church and state and freedom of religion, even freedom from religion (freedom from another's religion) if one wishes.

This is not what separation of Church and State means.

Unless you are discussing disallowing religious people to be on the SC, which sounds unthinkable.

I don't know what exactly you think needs to be done.

People are led by their beliefs, whether religious nor not. You can't exactly legislate agaisnt that.

 

[Rival]

Doesn't surprise me

Why?

How familiar are you with Pope Francis?

 

[Koldo]

For those who didn't bother reading the article:

Some suggested the comments were an honest translation mistake for the Pope, for whom Italian is a second language, and that he 'did not know' how offensive the word was.

That was indeed probably the case. The actual issue though is the overall message:

"The discussion took place during an assembly of the Italian bishops conference (CEI), reportedly aimed at considering the question of whether gay men should be admitted to Catholic seminaries, where priests are trained.

When one of the bishops asked Francis what he should do, the pope reportedly reiterated his objection to admitting gay men, saying that while it was important to embrace everyone, it was likely that a gay person could risk leading a double life. He is then alleged to have used the offensive word."

Vatican issues apology over Pope Francis’s ‘homophobic’ slur

 

[Koldo]

Ohhh my Goddddd.


Not supporting gay marriage is not homophobia.

You just want to say it is to make out those who don't support it to be morally backwards.

We are not.


Go away with this crap.

You mean religious or civil marriage?
Not supporting gay civil marriage is homophobic.

 

[Rival]

That was indeed probably the case. The actual issue though is the overall message:

"The discussion took place during an assembly of the Italian bishops conference (CEI), reportedly aimed at considering the question of whether gay men should be admitted to Catholic seminaries, where priests are trained.

When one of the bishops asked Francis what he should do, the pope reportedly reiterated his objection to admitting gay men, saying that while it was important to embrace everyone, it was likely that a gay person could risk leading a double life. He is then alleged to have used the offensive word."

Vatican issues apology over Pope Francis’s ‘homophobic’ slur

Yes, he's watching against illicit sex acts by which gay men may be tempted.

He's trying to prevent sin.

 

[Rival]

You mean religious or civil marriage?
Not supporting gay civil marriage is homophobic.

You too.

I see you delight in mocking me in schoolyard behaviour.

What a wonderful example of tolerance.

 

[Viker]

This is not what separation of Church and State means.

Unless you are discussing disallowing religious people to be on the SC, which sounds unthinkable.

I don't know what exactly you think needs to be done.

People are led by their beliefs, whether religious nor not. You can't exactly legislate agaisnt that.

No. Not at all what I mean. The fact you would make this as a point shows you've missed the point. Religious doctrine and religious preference or exclusion are unconstitutional. They may shape one's opinions and that is fair. They should not override another's rights or freedom. If I am not a Catholic, I am not, Catholic doctrine is irrelevant to me until it is imposed upon me.

What ever happened to "as you would have done"? Would you want legislation based entirely on my religion imposed upon you against your will, even if it were to win elections?

 

[Viker]

Yes, he's watching against illicit sex acts by which gay men may be tempted.

He's trying to prevent sin.

They're not illicit in free countries.

 

[Rival]

No. Not at all what I mean. The fact you would make this as a point shows you've missed the point. Religious doctrine and religious preference or exclusion are unconstitutional. They may shape one's opinions and that is fair. They should not override another's rights or freedom. If I am not a Catholic, I am not, Catholic doctrine is irrelevant to me until it is imposed upon me.

What ever happened to "as you would have done"? Would you want legislation based entirely on my religion imposed upon you against your will, even if it were to win elections?

You are thereby stopping them from voting via belief either way.

You are prioritising the freedom of one group based on 'rights' that are not a settled issue.

 

[Rival]

They're not illicit in free countries.

For goodness sake.

They are sin.

This is the RCC.

 

[We Never Know]

Because I think they are wrong.

But I don't give them derogatory words.

So.... you shouldn't give me one.

Exactly! Its a personal attack.

If someone doesn't like homosexuality they are called a homophobe.
Its BS because the person isn't saying they don't like the person.

Bob doesn't like Bill's chevy truck.
Therefore Bob is a chevyphobe.
Bob isn't saying he doesn't like Bill.