Pope states condoms aren't the answer to HIV

[Mister Emu]

That is untrue and therefore irresponsible and a lie. I thought lying was a sin?

Relying on condoms to stop the spread of AIDS while still being sexually irresponsible given the disease won't work... it can make it worse...

Now of course, I'm (probably more than) a little biased, but I think that is what the Pope is saying...

Condoms alone aren't the asnwer at all, and condoms at all aren't the answer for Catholics, adherence to Christian virtues is.

 

[challupa]

Thats it too..If you are "prepared" to have sex by holding protection you are "planning' on possibly committing sin in the future.If you dotn have protection your mind and heart are "aiming" for "purity".If you have a condom..you might use that as an 'excuse" to go ahead and sin HORRIBLY by doing the God awful nasty act of sex.(on top of the fact they dont work anyway)

Love

Dallas

LOL Okay

 

[Mister Emu]

I'll go ahead and ask, because I could have read wrong, but I heard that condoms were, with proper use, 85% effective at stopping the spread of the AIDS virus... is that accurate or inaccurate?

 

[DallasApple]

Relying on condoms to stop the spread of AIDS while still being sexually irresponsible given the disease won't work... it can make it worse...

Now of course, I'm (probably more than) a little biased, but I think that is what the Pope is saying...

Condoms alone aren't the asnwer at all, and condoms at all aren't the answer for Catholics, adherence to Christian virtues is.

What about married people where one has aids?..Are they supposed to abstain too in order not to sin by using a condom?

Condoms "alone" arent the answer of course.We need a cure for the ones who have it already..and then a vaccine to prevent it.Untill then abstinence..or a USE of a condom if you do not abstain is the only defense.(as well as I think(dont quote me I'll look it up..I believe spermacide in conjunction with a condom is even safer).

Love

Dallas

 

[challupa]

Relying on condoms to stop the spread of AIDS while still being sexually irresponsible given the disease won't work... it can make it worse...

Now of course, I'm (probably more than) a little biased, but I think that is what the Pope is saying...

Condoms alone aren't the asnwer at all, and condoms at all aren't the answer for Catholics, adherence to Christian virtues is.

I am not saying condoms are the only answer. I know they are not 100% protection. However, they are more protection than nothing at all. Abstinence works too as long as everyone is able to be abstinent, but statistics are telling us that many are not capable of this, so the next best option is needed. Again, I didn't say the church needs to condone their usage, they do need to stop telling people they don't work though. That is the point.

 

[Storm]

I'll go ahead and ask, because I could have read wrong, but I heard that condoms were, with proper use, 85% effective at stopping the spread of the AIDS virus... is that accurate or inaccurate?

I don't know the numbers off-hand, but that strikes me a bit low.

Still even if it's accurate, if we could slow the spread of AIDS in Africa by 85%, it would be a triumph.

 

[challupa]

Here is a website that talks about the effectiveness of condoms to prevent HIV. I believe Mr. Emu asked this. I have also seen the 85% numbers thrown out there as you suggested.

Condoms: history, testing and effectiveness

 

[Smoke]

What about married people where one has aids?..Are they supposed to abstain too in order not to sin by using a condom?

That wouldn't make much sense, since the purpose of marriage is procreation. Obviously, they should get busy making AIDS babies -- and having them baptized, of course.

 

[Smoke]

Condoms: history, testing and effectiveness

Are condoms effective at preventing infection with the HIV and sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)?

Yes. Studies have shown that if a latex condom is used correctly every time you have sex, this is highly effective in providing protection against HIV.14

The evidence for this is clearest in studies of couples in which one person is infected with HIV and the other not. i.e. "discordant couples". In a study of discordant couples in Europe, among 123 couples who reported consistent condom use, none of the uninfected partners became infected. In contrast, among the 122 couples who used condoms inconsistently, 12 of the uninfected partners became infected.15
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[DallasApple]

That wouldn't make much sense, since the purpose of marriage is procreation. Obviously, they should get busy making AIDS babies -- and having them baptized, of course.

OOPS...I forgot..:sorry1:

Love

Dallas

 

[linwood]

Relying on condoms to stop the spread of AIDS while still being sexually irresponsible given the disease won't work... it can make it worse...

Untrue.

The only country in Africa with an AIDS program that is working is the only one which has put alot of resources into contraception programs.

Another effective role of strong HIV/AIDS response is emerging in Uganda. Today, Uganda’s president, Yoweri Museveni is almost an icon in the West because of his courageous and highly effective anti-HIV/AIDS credentials.

HIV/AIDS In Africa: Political, Policy, Program, Health And Legal Responses

 

[linwood]

Thats it too..If you are "prepared" to have sex by holding protection you are "planning' on possibly committing sin in the future.If you dotn have protection your mind and heart are "aiming" for "purity".If you have a condom..you might use that as an 'excuse" to go ahead and sin HORRIBLY by doing the God awful nasty act of sex.(on top of the fact they dont work anyway)

It`s worse than that Dallas.

The culture in almost all African countries produces males who believe using a condom is unmanly.
This is why so many don`t use them.

The RCC making statements like this just gives these males another excuse to use on their Catholic wives for having unsafe sex.

The fastest growing victims of the AIDS epidemic in Africa are monogamous married women as fidelity is also a cultural problem among African men.

The Uganda example I gave before has a laser like focus on three things, fidelity, abstinence, and condoms.

It is literally changing the culture for the better.

The Pope would like to reverse this of course as he likes to reverse just about anything that makes humanity safer and more prosperous.

 

[gnostic]

I didn't like Pope Benny before he was even elected. After reading his bio I thought it was the biggest mistake to have him as pope, and this current incidence only reinforced my dislike for him. The pope proved to be manipulative, trying to push his archaic church agenda, and risking lives with irresponsible statements.

He should fix his own backyard than interfere with other people, outside of his flocks. Such as the pedophile priests. He should allowed the law to prosecute these men instead of hiding them and covering up their crimes with his facade of holiness and goodness.

Do these pedophile priests used condoms? I don't think so.

The whole vatican are just bunch of useless hypocrites, from the top down.

 

[Father Heathen]

What do people think of this latest comment from the Pope?

http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=w031715A.xml

It's pretty sad that people actually listen to and revere this buffoon.

 

[Father Heathen]

What are you talking about? Did you read this part?: The Vatican encourages sexual abstinence to fight the spread of disease.
Abstain from sleeping around ,have only one sexual partner and it will be slow down, if you are infected already abstain from all sexual activities.

Too bad abstinence has proven to be unrealistic and ineffective.

 

[Father Heathen]

How many things like this until the RC finally puts itself out of business?

There's always a market for snake oil.

 

[darkendless]

That twigged something in my head:

emiliano, I'm an engineer. If I were to design a highway, I would have to take into account how people would actually use it. Even if I personally think that drivers should only drive at 80 km/h on it, never crash, and never lose control of their vehicles, if I were to design the road with an 80 km/h design speed (i.e. well below the 120 km/h I know they're going to try to go) next to an unprotected sheer dropoff instead of a clear zone or barrier and just have "no crashing" and "don't speed" signs put up, I'd lose my licence. Depending what happened to the road users, I might even be sued personally or go to jail.

It seems to me "abstinence-only" programs are the equivalent to this: they're based on what the proponents want to happen instead of what they know will happen and make the consequences worse when when it does happen.

I have a very difficult time trying to figure out why this type of behaviour is criminally irresponsible when an engineer does it but acceptable when a politician or religious leader does it.

Because the world has got used to politicians and religious leaders being rediculous about their stances. Engineers are not allowed to think like this because it would go against everything you work hard to achieve. As engineers we get paid to think outside the box.
Religious leaders get paid to sit in the box and complain about everything.

 

[emiliano]

If I remember correctly, emiliano is no longer a Catholic.

Yes I remember stating that, and I also clearly remember stating that I am very fond of the teaching of the Church doctor and fathers, the greatest virtue of the RCC is to maintain the Christian tenets even when it means loosing popularity, I don’t consider myself a Catholic, but because I am a confirmed Catholic that has not been excommunicate yet. I can go back to the Church, actually I am in the process of doing just that, I have a great admiration for their courage and boldness.

 

[emiliano]

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quote=9-10ths_Penguin;1473298]And you know what works just as well, if not better? If people try to abstain from having sexual relations while keeping a condom in their pocket in case they don't live up to their goal.

What the church preaches is a virtue that has a manyfold application on all the areas were lust lead many to perdition, this virtue when fully develops can cure alcoholism, drug addictions, obesity, STDs, immoral conduct, etc..

Practicing abstinence may be 100% effective (if it's practiced 100% of the time), but preaching abstinence is not. The Church does not have the option to physically force anyone to follow its teachings.

?? So what is it? Is or isn’t 100% effective? If it is. What else should the pope counsel his flock?
　

What?
So... right now, we don't have the money for drugs to treat these people; we don't even have the money to treat pregnant women during pregnancy so they don't pass the virus on to their children during childbirth

As I asked. How long have the secular authorities been distributing free condoms in Africa? How effective their campaign been? And we do have the means to stop pregnant women from passing the virus. Abstinence my boy, Abstinence

... but chemical castration is somehow a viable solution to the AIDS crisis?

Abstinence It is a 100% effective solution to this crisis.

Rather than devote science to a cure for AIDS or cheaper treatments, you want to put it toward something like this?

What I am saying is that science could help the morally weak to abstain, to applied the solution that is 100% effective, how much more would it cost than trying to find a cure or vaccination? It seems to me that the effective solution is already here but that there are interests that don’t want to apply it and that it got to do with making money out this tragic situation. There are no cure for this disease but is not due to lack of funds, it is greed that stops the effective solution.

I really don't know what to say. That's such a sick suggestion that I'm overwhelmed.

Well I hope that you recovered and answer this , what can you tell us about the commercial exploitation of these people? If infected people are help or compel to abstain from sexual activities, what would became of the manufactures of drug that heighten these drives even in the elderly, the sex toy, condoms producer? The maker of condoms don’t give them away for free.

 

[emiliano]

There are more ways to spread aids then sex emiliano. It endangers those caring for aids patients if they accidently get a needle prick for example. It is better to address the problem in as many ways as possible because if one way isn't working maybe another way will. We should use "all" tools available to end needless suffering and death. I will again repeat, I am not saying the Pope has to condone the use of condoms, but he should not be saying they will in no way help to protect. That is untrue and therefore irresponsible and a lie. I thought lying was a sin?

Where is the lie, Abstinence is more effective than condoms, if this virtue is acquired then people will also be thoughtful and take care of all other venues by which they could infect some one else, but if they are encouraged to seek their lust at any risk, then what you going to give them? A conscience? A moral law? That has already been done, infected people have been asked not to give blood, infected people have been educated in good hygiene practices, they must disclose their condition, so as to prevent accidental infections, yet little inroads have been made. I think that is time for drastic measures, something that is 100% effective, this does not means that the search for a cure must goes on till one is found, but it is necessary to stop it and the most effectives measures applied even if causes pain.
Where is reported that he said "they will in no way help to protect" in the article?