Pope's call to end Fundamentalism

[YoursTrue]

not sure how one would come to that conclusion

Catholics are not bound to observe, teach, or obey the catechism, are they?

 

[YoursTrue]

This could get interesting.

Things like Christ is the only way, don’t kill, steal, lie, get drunk etc. all seem pretty literal to me.

Well now, didn't the pope say that people from other forms of belief , such as Christ not being the only way, could be saved? And by that I think he probably means they could go to purgatory(?) or heaven.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So then that begs the question, when is it fundamentalism (literal) and when is it not fundamentalism.

Very subjective IMO

That would be a set of scales, with the Message of Jesus being the fulcrum point.

The fundamentalists would be those that take themselves far enough away from the fulcrum point, to tip the scales.

So yes, it is all based on Subjective Truth.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'll believe it when he becomes pro-abortion.

I see that would be an opinion based in relative truth, relative to a world that does not recognise Biblical teachings as been a fulcrum balance.

Maybe from a Catholic point of view, abortion is a materialism imposed fundamentalism?

A Catholic can offer a view on that.

Regards Tony

 

[Sand Dancer]

This speech by the Pope is worth considering.

Pope: Religions must be purified of extremism, self-righteousness - Catholic News Service

Pope Francis said.

“It is time to realize that fundamentalism defiles and corrupts every creed; time for open and compassionate hearts,”

And

“We need religion in order to respond to the thirst for world peace and the thirst for the infinite that dwells in the heart of each man and woman,”

So, will we finally see the breakdown of literal interpretation of scripture, which has been the fundamental cause of the demise and suppression of religion?

Regards Tony

I really like this pope. It's been since John XXIII that there's been a good one.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Pope just said things like literalism aren't good. And he's right. It's very destructive for the church, both for membership and people's willingness to join and stick around.
But, personally, I'd prefer you and others keep it up. I come from that world and would love to burn it to a pile of ashes for my own personal gratification and so it can't harm anyone again.

That's a strange comment, I have supported what the Pope offers, but know there is always a balance.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I really like this pope. It's been since John XXIII that there's been a good one.

There have been indeed good Popes, each trying to make a change for the positive. Many have opened their hearts to embrace other faiths as well, albeit in a limited way.

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

Personally I see the kinder interpretations still come from all the bronze age bags

I see the elimination of fundamental mindsets will come about from embracing the kinder interpretations, that are the foundation of all the past Faiths.

Scientific advancement is a key to the elimination of a lot of literal interpretation.

Regards Tony

Science can also unlock the secrets of the Holy Books: It uncovers the secret of reality. Science serves the world of reality. It can save man from the superstition of the religions of the past, revealing to him the reality of the religions of God. (Abdul-Baha)

Science Shall Unite all People

 

[Truth in love]

Well now, didn't the pope say that people from other forms of belief , such as Christ not being the only way, could be saved? And by that I think he probably means they could go to purgatory(?) or heaven.

Not sure how that’s going to fly. If Christ is not the only way the Bible is greatly flawed.

 

[Truth in love]

Luckily Jesus the Christ taught us the Morals and Values we need to overcome these issues.

We literally have to reinforce those morals and values. Jesus was all inclusive, not exclusive.

Regards Tony

He was inclusive of persons of all backgrounds, but pretty exclusive in terms of behavior.

 

[blü 2]

This speech by the Pope is worth considering.

Pope: Religions must be purified of extremism, self-righteousness - Catholic News Service

Pope Francis said.

“It is time to realize that fundamentalism defiles and corrupts every creed; time for open and compassionate hearts,”

And

“We need religion in order to respond to the thirst for world peace and the thirst for the infinite that dwells in the heart of each man and woman,”

So, will we finally see the breakdown of literal interpretation of scripture, which has been the fundamental cause of the demise and suppression of religion?

Regards Tony

I knew there was something about Frankie that I liked!

 

[TransmutingSoul]

He was inclusive of persons of all backgrounds, but pretty exclusive in terms of behavior.

Well the processes required in the implementation of unity, does allows the choice of disunity.

That is this world, a world of opposites giving way to free will choices. We can Love, if we choose not to love, then hate becomes manifest.

Regards Tony

 

[danieldemol]

Much of which is pretty unremarkable. It is in the definition of biblical infallibility - and its interpretation as complete "inerrancy" - that many fundamentalists part company with rationality.

Personally I would have thought without biblical innerancy there is not much to prop up the other 4 items on the list.

If scripture isn't inerrant Jesus was most probably just an ordinary human who made a few tall claims and the rest was hagiography made by those who came after Him to fit their theological beliefs.

In my opinion.

 

[sayak83]

I see we need both aspects of faith. The literal aspect enables us to set meaningful laws that guide society. The Spiritual aspects enables us to bind and grow together one organic human race.

The key is, that we need to acknowledge a source that offers that guidance.

Regards Tony

I would say that social laws should be secular, based on rationally based ethical philosophy and guided by evidence based application, subject to constant update and change with time and with needs. Religions should not interfere in the domain of social laws publicly enforced morality.

Any religious group or interpretation that seeks to do so is a fundamentalist group in my view. This includes Christians who try to legislate against homosexual marriage, Muslims who enforce punitive punishments for criticism of their prophet, Hindus who try to ban the eating of beef and atheist states that seek to stop religious people from wearing religious attire in public.

 

[exchemist]

Personally I would have thought without biblical innerancy there is not much to prop up the other 4 items on the list.

If scripture isn't inerrant Jesus was most probably just an ordinary human who made a few tall claims and the rest was hagiography made by those who came after Him to fit their theological beliefs.

In my opinion.

No, that's not how traditional Christianity has seen the bible.

 

[Kenny]

Catholics are not bound to observe, teach, or obey the catechism, are they?

I don't think so, but I still don't understand the line of thinking.

 

[Kenny]

That would be a set of scales, with the Message of Jesus being the fulcrum point.

The fundamentalists would be those that take themselves far enough away from the fulcrum point, to tip the scales.

So yes, it is all based on Subjective Truth.

Regards Tony

I don't think that is really "fundamentalism" - and I am not aware of anyone who has gotten themselves far enough away from that fulcrum point unless they are radicals. Certainly the scope of those people who are "radicals" would be minuscule in comparison and certainly aren't the reason for today's issues.

And of those who have taken themselves that far away, most aren't radicals. IMO

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I don't think that is really "fundamentalism" - and I am not aware of anyone who has gotten themselves far enough away from that fulcrum point unless they are radicals. Certainly the scope of those people who are "radicals" would be minuscule in comparison and certainly aren't the reason for today's issues.

And of those who have taken themselves that far away, most aren't radicals. IMO

That vision of Christianity, is relative to you.

Personally I see some doctrines have become fundamental, if one is to be seen as a true follow of Christ, have tipped the balance. Others will see it in another way.

Who do you see the Pope was calling out in that speech?

Regards Tony

 

[Kenny]

That vision of Christianity, is relative to you.

Personally I see some doctrines have become fundamental, if one is to be seen as a true follow of Christ, have tipped the balance. Others will see it in another way.

Who do you see the Pope was calling out in that speech?

Regards Tony

I think what the Pope is talking about is that we shouldn't kill others just because their religion is different than that of another.

The problem I had was your statement of "So, will we finally see the breakdown of literal interpretation of scripture, which has been the fundamental cause of the demise and suppression of religion?"

How one translated into the statement what the Pope said, I am not sure. Can you help?

 

[Colt]

This speech by the Pope is worth considering.

Pope: Religions must be purified of extremism, self-righteousness - Catholic News Service

Pope Francis said.

“It is time to realize that fundamentalism defiles and corrupts every creed; time for open and compassionate hearts,”

And

“We need religion in order to respond to the thirst for world peace and the thirst for the infinite that dwells in the heart of each man and woman,”

So, will we finally see the breakdown of literal interpretation of scripture, which has been the fundamental cause of the demise and suppression of religion?

Regards Tony

I think the term fundamentalism applies to theological arrogance, the perpetuation of a "chosen people" attitude within ANY religion.