"Pornography Offends the Holy Ghost"

[Enoch07]

And the article did not support your claims. And once again you threaten by irony meters. I am not the one guilty of wishful thinking here.



Sorry, the report itself said that it was incomplete. That is a disclaimer. I quoted where it said that there was not enough evidence yet. You are ignoring your own source.



The APA did not support your claims.


No, it is weak because they themselves admitted that it was.

Some is not all nor even most. You are grasping at the faintest of straws.



These aren't my rules. I am not the one that is continually failing here.




One would think that if it was actually harmful one could prove it. So far you can only find ambiguous studies. Why when you are the one that is failing and thrashing do you accuse others of doing that?

If it was harmful there should be clear studies from unbiased sources that support you.

Sorry but you don't get to decide what info is valid or not.

American Psychological Association - Wikipedia

As you can see here the APA consist of over 100,000 scientist, educators, etc. They along with the majority of western society, and entire legal system of the U.S. all agree porn and other sexual activity is harmful for children.

You can deny it all day. But you are clearly in the wrong here.

 

[sayak83]

A child can ask the parents. That's what the video is about. Which is to help parents talk to their children about it. Yes it is done from a Christian perspective. But anyone could easily leave the religion out and still it has a positive message. The video was created by Christians for Christians though. There is no cloak and dagger involved. Except for paranoid conspiracy theorist who view everything that way.

I have not seen and was not talking about the video. The taboo and secrecy on sex and sexuality in general was the point of my concern.

 

[Enoch07]

I have not seen and was not talking about the video. The taboo and secrecy on sex and sexuality in general was the point of my concern.

Well the video is the topic of the OP.

The video is about what to do when your child views pornography on the net.

It was made by Christians, for Christian consumption. But obviously some here have a problem with it and chose to troll and make fun of it. A few have advocated that porn is not harmful for children, and that children should be allowed to view porn.

That about sums up the thread so far.

 

[sayak83]

Well the video is the topic of the OP.

The video is about what to do when your child views pornography on the net.

It was made by Christians, for Christian consumption. But obviously some here have a problem with it and chose to troll and make fun of it. A few have advocated that porn is not harmful for children, and that children should be allowed to view porn.

That about sums up the thread so far.

I am humbly proposing that parents and media and society should be open about their sexual lives as they are about other aspects of life. Then the concept of porn itself will alter.

 

[Enoch07]

I am humbly proposing that parents and media and society should be open about their sexual lives as they are about other aspects of life. Then the concept of porn itself will alter.

I disagree partly. Sure when a child reaches let's say 16ish. This age most articles point to as the age the brain is developed enough, and is ready to comprehend, and discuss sexual issues.

Little Johnny who just got his first Power Ranger action figure for his 6th birthday is not capable of understanding these things. The human brain is not developed enough to handle the complexity and nuances of the sexual world. This is evidenced in the APA article and others.

I already listed the APA article. But here is more.

Teen Sex May Affect Brain Development, Study Suggests

The Teenage Brain: Under Construction

This one is concerning the development of the human brain.

The adolescent brain: Beyond raging hormones - Harvard Health

And 100+ more I don't have time to link. The evidence is overwhelming.

 

[sayak83]

I disagree partly. Sure when a child reaches let's say 16ish. This age most articles point to as the age the brain is developed enough, and is ready to comprehend, and discuss sexual issues.

Little Johnny who just got his first Power Ranger action figure for his 6th birthday is not capable of understanding these things. The human brain is not developed enough to handle the complexity and nuances of the sexual world. This is evidenced in the APA article and others.

I already listed the APA article. But here is more.

Teen Sex May Affect Brain Development, Study Suggests

The Teenage Brain: Under Construction

This one is concerning the development of the human brain.

The adolescent brain: Beyond raging hormones - Harvard Health

And 100+ more I don't have time to link. The evidence is overwhelming.

And I am saying it's the adult taboo and secrecy regarding sexuality in their own homes that create a repression regarding sex causing the above problems in children. If children grow up seeing and understanding what healthy love making is like for the adults, unhealthy distortions would be easily recognized by them, and they would also be more aware of situations where a possible pedophile is targeting them.

 

[Thief]

Gotta ask the Mormons who made the video. I was just quoting them.

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while asking .......Is the Holy Ghost offended?

I don't think so

 

[Enoch07]

And I am saying it's the adult taboo and secrecy regarding sexuality in their own homes that create a repression regarding sex causing the above problems in children. If children grow up seeing and understanding what healthy love making is like for the adults, unhealthy distortions would be easily recognized by them, and they would also be more aware of situations where a possible pedophile is targeting them.

I understand what you are saying. It sounds good on paper, but I don't think it would play out as nice irl, but that's just my opinion.

I haven't seen any evidence suggesting that adults that keep their sex life private from their children, cause negative effects on the children though. So I disagree with you on it causing a repression of sex.

 

[sayak83]

I understand what you are saying. It sounds good on paper, but I don't think it would play out as nice irl, but that's just my opinion.

I haven't seen any evidence suggesting that adults that keep their sex life private from their children, cause negative effects on the children though. So I disagree with you on it causing a repression of sex.

We do have evidence that more conservative and sexually repressive the society, greater the occurrence of abuse of women, children etc. Conservative Islamic and other societies are examples of that. So it follows logically, that greater the openness, more healthier the society regarding sex overall. Obviously not all children will be affected. It's statistical. We did have very similar debates and concerns regarding sex-education or even co-ed schools. But both had good effects on society. The thing to aim for, I believe, is to de-sensationalize and normalize sex and love making.. from a private hush hush thing to an act of giving and receiving love and care and (sometimes) life creation that is celebrated as an open virtue. Would not that be great?

 

[Enoch07]

Conservative Islamic and other societies are examples of that.

1 example doesn't set precedent though.

While it is true Islam is very sexually repressive. It is leaps and bounds beyond the other 2 Abrahamic religions and all other religions.

The thing to aim for, I believe, is to de-sensationalize and normalize sex and love making.. from a private hush hush thing to an act of giving and receiving love and care and (sometimes) life creation that is celebrated as an open virtue. Would not that be great?

I agree with that. But I can be too idealistic at times myself. Its a nice idea. But as evidenced in this thread, many others here feel sex is just a physical action that is/should be devoid of emotion or attachment. So implementing the idea would be shady, at best. So ultimately I cannot support it.

 

[sayak83]

1 example doesn't set precedent though.

While it is true Islam is very sexually repressive. It is leaps and bounds beyond the other 2 Abrahamic religions and all other religions.



I agree with that. But I can be too idealistic at times myself. Its a nice idea. But as evidenced in this thread, many others here feel sex is just a physical action that is/should be devoid of emotion or attachment. So implementing the idea would be shady, at best. So ultimately I cannot support it.

It's not the only example. India is another. I hear South Korea and Japan also have similar conservative mindsets.

 

[Enoch07]

It's not the only example. India is another. I hear South Korea and Japan also have similar conservative mindsets.

I wouldn't know to be honest in regards to India or S.Korea.

Japan is more open sexually in some regards, and simultaneously more repressed in others. For example you can buy soiled girls panties in vending machines on a public street in Japan, but an exposed vagina or penis is extremely taboo. Which is why tentacle porn (hentai) became popular. Japan is effed up LoLz.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol, that was a very different answer. You said that it was a question of "when children should be exposed to porn" not whether children should be exposed to porn. You are complaining about the question for no reason. OK, let us try this.

When should young children be exposed to porn?

No, I didn't, go back and read it again.

And since this question is a strawman I will not answer it.

Seriously, you could not have interpreted my question in that way. Why the dishonesty?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry but you don't get to decide what info is valid or not.

American Psychological Association - Wikipedia

As you can see here the APA consist of over 100,000 scientist, educators, etc. They along with the majority of western society, and entire legal system of the U.S. all agree porn and other sexual activity is harmful for children.

You can deny it all day. But you are clearly in the wrong here.

An article that you did not understand does not support your claims. Do you need some help with it? I will gladly help you. By the way, the number of members is besides the point. Your logical error was an appeal to popularity.

 

[Curious George]

No, I didn't, go back and read it again.

And since this question is a strawman I will not answer it.

Seriously, you could not have interpreted my question in that way. Why the dishonesty?

When asked whether young children should be exposed to porn you said:

"It is not a question of "should" it is a matter of "when""

How am I supposed to interpret that. So you refuse to answer whether young children should be exposed to porn, you refuse to answer when young children should be exposed to porn...lol...what question do you want to answer. What question do you think is relevant to young children and their exposure to porn?

 

[Enoch07]

An article that you did not understand does not support your claims. Do you need some help with it? I will gladly help you. By the way, the number of members is besides the point. Your logical error was an appeal to popularity.

I don't have time for you nonsensical ramblings today.

The APA is a scientific authority on the matter. If you dispute their claims then by all means go challenge them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When asked whether young children should be exposed to porn you said:

"It is not a question of "should" it is a matter of "when""

How am I supposed to interpret that. So you refuse to answer whether young children should be exposed to porn, you refuse to answer when young children should be exposed to porn...lol...what question do you want to answer. What question do you think is relevant to young children and their exposure to porn?

Really? You don't understand a simple sentence like that? It clearly is not a claim that children should be exposed to pornography. It appears that your religious beliefs are causing major cognitive dissonance to kick in.

I will give you a clue. The sentence starts out with the phrase "It is not a question of 'should"". That tells you right away that you took the wrong tack by asking "should".

Reform your question and try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't have time for you nonsensical ramblings today.

The APA is a scientific authority on the matter. If you dispute their claims then by all means go challenge them.

Thank you for sparing us from your nonsensical ramblings.

But once again, when you want to learn, I am more than happy to help you.

By the way, why can't you be honest? The problem is your interpretation of a paper that does not support you.

 

[Curious George]

Really? You don't understand a simple sentence like that? It clearly is not a claim that children should be exposed to pornography. It appears that your religious beliefs are causing major cognitive dissonance to kick in.

I will give you a clue. The sentence starts out with the phrase "It is not a question of 'should"". That tells you right away that you took the wrong tack by asking "should".

Reform your question and try again.

Lol how about you help me. And sorry if my "religious beliefs" are getting in the way-I will try to tone them down.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol how about you help me. And sorry if my "religious beliefs" are getting in the way-I will try to tone them down.

As I pointed out in the post that you did not understand:

Sooner or later your kids will be exposed to porn, if you have kids. You asked the ridiculous question "should you expose your children to porn". That is an example of a "Have you quit beating your wife yet?" question. What one needs to know is how to deal with your kids and the video was no help at all. If anything it did more harm than good.