"Pornography Offends the Holy Ghost"

[Truly Enlightened]

From your linked web site.

Erectile dysfunction (ED) has been increasing in sexually active men under 40. It seems as though internet porn is in some ways to blame for this rise, with studies showing a correlation between porn and ED.

Now, researchers have identified pornography-induced erectile dysfunction (PIED) and pornography-induced abnormally low libido.

High exposure to pornography videos can result in lower responsivity in a man and an increased need for more extreme or kinky material for him to become aroused.

Due to porn overload, some men are no longer aroused in the presence of a partner. They begin to experience ED and can only become sexually excited when watching porn. "

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Were you also aware that excessive alcohol drinking can lead to alcohol dependency and . . . .

• Fetal alcohol syndrome
• Hepatitis
• Gastritis
• Heart disease
• Liver disease
• Pancreatitis
• Epilepsy
• Mouth cancer
• Diabetes
• Depression
• Stroke

plus many more ailments.

Did you know that overeating can lead to

• High cholesterol levels
• Obesity
• Fatigue
• Cancer
• Diabetes
• Depression
• Cardiovascular problems
• Heart stroke

Plus many other ailments.

Were you aware that overspending can lead to

• An overdrawn bank account
  
• Worry and depression
  
• Anxiety
• Suspension of banking privileges
  
• Inability to provide necessities
  
• Bankruptcy
• Crime
  
• Suicidal tendencies

Point is, there are a lot of activities that over-done can lead to harmful effects. However, done in moderation these effects can be avoided and the activity is quite harmless, even beneficial or necessary. So, while "high exposure to pornography videos can result in lower responsivity in a man," this hasn't been shown to be the case in all or even most people who look at pornography.


Not necessarily "only," but primarily.


Yet here we have it. Ain't we lucky. GAG!


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Erectile dysfunction (ED) has been increasing in sexually active men under 40. It seems as though internet porn is in some ways to blame for this rise, with studies showing a correlation between porn and ED.

Now, researchers have identified pornography-induced erectile dysfunction (PIED) and pornography-induced abnormally low libido.

High exposure to pornography videos can result in lower responsivity in a man and an increased need for more extreme or kinky material for him to become aroused.

Due to porn overload, some men are no longer aroused in the presence of a partner. They begin to experience ED and can only become sexually excited when watching porn. "

​

Were you also aware that excessive alcohol drinking can lead to alcohol dependency and . . . .

• Fetal alcohol syndrome
• Hepatitis
• Gastritis
• Heart disease
• Liver disease
• Pancreatitis
• Epilepsy
• Mouth cancer
• Diabetes
• Depression
• Stroke

plus many more ailments.

Did you know that overeating can lead to

• High cholesterol levels
• Obesity
• Fatigue
• Cancer
• Diabetes
• Depression
• Cardiovascular problems
• Heart stroke

Plus many other ailments.

Were you aware that overspending can lead to

• An overdrawn bank account
  
• Worry and depression
  
• Anxiety
• Suspension of banking privileges
  
• Inability to provide necessities
  
• Bankruptcy
• Crime
  
• Suicidal tendencies

Point is, there are a lot of activities that over-done can lead to harmful effects. However, done in moderation these effects can be avoided and the activity is quite harmless, even beneficial or necessary. So, while "high exposure to pornography videos can result in lower responsivity in a man," this hasn't been shown to be the case in all or even most people who look at pornography.


Not necessarily "only," but primarily.


Yet here we have it. Ain't we lucky. GAG!


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So your answer to the billions preoccupied with internet porn, is as long as they view it in moderation it's okay, and harmless? As long as you don't abuse it, "she'll be right mate". In other words it's their fault. I'm sure those overeaters, smokers, alcoholics, and drug addicts, did not set out to purposely abuse their proclivities. Watching porn, is watching paid actors having sex, period! Porn images of sexual acts are only meant to stimulate the oldest part of our brain(limbic system), to keep producing pleasure chemicals. This of course will eventually induce more dependency. It is this dependency that leads to abuse. Hence, the need to watch more porn, to produce more chemicals(just like smokers), and the cycle is repeated again and again. The porn industry couldn't care less if its product can lead to sexual, emotional, social, or physical dysfunctions. It only cares about its profit margins. Alcohol and drug addictions are both chemically induced, not psychologically induced. Overeating is a symptom not a cause, therefore irrelevant. Not sure how to categorize poor bookkeeping skills, but it can also be related to an unhealthy preoccupation with porn. A better analogy would have been the effects of watching graphic violence, and its link to cognitive insensitivity.

You stated that porn induced ED, and the idea of an ideal genitalia were just "bat chick" crazy. They aren't! Are you now agreeing that "PORN INDUCED ED" can be the result of watching too much porn, or not? Can you now see the effects of having a pre-existing image of what the ideal female genitalia should look like, can have on a relationship, or not? By your logic, nothing should be censored, as long as it is experienced in moderation. What about such pornographic materials, as "Snuff" Porn, Child Porn, Necrophilia, Beastiality, Rape and Humiliation, or Sado-Masochism? We are even now seeing more daring soft porn in our mainstream movies. How do we determine their level of moderation? Do you think that children can determine their level of moderate use?

For me, loving your wife of 30 years, as though it was the first time, will always trump any virtual internet relationship. Sometimes ignorance IS bliss. Regarding the risk factors associated with porn, Pornography and Broken Relationships, Is pornography addictive? , Social Science Research on Pornography: Research . Don

 

[Skwim]

No need to re-read. It's weird because you're talking about pornography and not the video.

I'll talk about any aspect that comes up. Right now you want to talk about my opinion.

Do you think pornography is okay for adults, i.e. a net positive like some other poster opined, and I don't mean nudist movies? I assume you DON'T think it's okay for kids, but let us know if this is too presumptive of me.

I feel that anyone can ask any questions they like on RF. We all have the option of not answering or simply ignoring them.

In any case, like everything else done in moderation, such as eating, spending money, or drinking alcohol, I don't see any harm in watching porn. As for kids, I've already addressed the issue somewhere in the thread.

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[Milton Platt]

A video: What Should I Do When I See Pornography?

A production of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
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"Just as there are dangers in the ocean There are dangers in the world... One of those dangers is pornography."

"Pornography means bad pictures of people with little or no clothes on."

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So, what do you think of the video?


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Just one religious group's vague version of what they don't like.
What makes a picture "bad"? Is it no clothing, some degree of lesser clothing, or is it certain poses, or sexual acts depicted? Why is is okay to have sex, but not to show it in a photo or video?
Are breasts okay? Butts? Navels? It used to be disgraceful for a woman to show her ankles. Is that where porn begins?

 

[Skwim]

So your answer to the billions preoccupied with internet porn, is as long as they view it in moderation it's okay, and harmless?

If by "preoccupied" you mean addicted, then the number is in the hundreds of thousands, not billions,

"About 200,000 Americans are “porn addicts”
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And if you merely mean the number who view porn, then the number is in the millions.

40 million American people regularly visit porn sites."
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As long as you don't abuse it, "she'll be right mate". In other words it's their fault.

Their fault for what?

I'm sure those overeaters, smokers, alcoholics, and drug addicts, did not set out to purposely abuse their proclivities. Watching porn, is watching paid actors having sex, period!

Because it's not only paid actors having sex, but also thousands of amateurs who post their sexual encounters online, something you should have been apprised of by your anti-porn resource, it's obvious you're not well informed enough to discuss pornography, AND because I don't care to continually bring you up to speed I'm not going to respond to all the points you've made here, just those I find interesting.

You stated that porn induced ED, and the idea of an ideal genitalia were just "bat chick" crazy. They aren't!

Haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. You must have me confused with someone else here.

Are you now agreeing . . . . on Pornography: Research . Don

Hmm, . . . nothing else of interest.

Have a good day.

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[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm sure I could find plenty of evidence that proposes the opposite, as in:

* The numerous individuals apparently addicted to pornography, and where it just prevents them from having actual relationships rather than enhancing their lives in any way.

* The breakdown in relationships that often comes from this, either in overuse or in less realistic expectations.

* The overall negative effects on females and any progress they might want to see in equality issues - especially when much of pornography is not so life-enhancing but tends to degrade or involve violence.

* The effects it perhaps has on the rise of illegal images (or the 'normalising' of such). Exponential growth in these apparently since 2000 or so. Before 2013, even Google Images could be accused of being a major disseminating source for such images since they didn't have much censorship before that time.

* The changes in sexual behaviour (often not being more free but more abusive - see the number of females who appear to be pressured into doing sexual things that they don't want to do), and where this has almost certainly come from pornography.

* It seems almost as we have a race to the bottom, in that ever more escalating behaviour appears to be the norm simply because of the competition, and where even body surgery is now quite common to achieve some perfect look. It is even possible that the problems with illegal child imagery is exacerbated by the escalating nature of wanting to view more extreme forms of imagery, and hence some going this route even though they will know it to be illegal and damaging.

Just some examples.

I am not saying that pornography is inherently bad - I am no prude I can assure you. I am saying that it has not been controlled sufficiently, has been allowed to spread to affect many more than its intended audience, and it doesn't really contribute to a healthy society. Those who feel the need for heavy pornography use are often quite capable of dealing with the issue or they are so damaged as for it to simply keep them so. Perhaps for the larger majority, they can take it or leave it and it hardly affects their lives, but I would say that it does, indirectly at least, in the many affects that it creates.

Even on Google Images these days, if one is not intending to look for explicit images, it is but a click away to be confronted with very explicit images - presumably because of the algorithms used by Google. Why would this be?

Edit: Added a bit.

There is no such thing as "porn addiction". You can have a compulsive viewing habit but that's not the same as addiction. You can have obsessive behaviors involving anything including reading, Internet use, video games, shopping, etc. so porn isn't some special case here.

I am doubtful of the claims that porn damages relationships. Most of the examples of that are of conservative, naive people acting shocked that their partner masturbates and watches porn while doing it. The problem there is that their partner is not realistic and too controlling.

Men have been pressuring women into sex since time immemorial so porn isnt making much of a difference there.

I'm not aware of any evidence that porn has influenced a bunch of people to have plastic surgery. The big boobed blonde Barbie look isn't what's popular in porn now, anyway. That's a stereotype from the '90s. Probably most of the actresses that are popular today are "natural". Of course anyone can be in porn since anyone can upload a video to a site. So there's lots of "regular" people doing porn these days.

I think the so-called ease of coming by porn is overstated as I have Google safe search always turned off but don't see any porn unless I specifically search for it. Even if I search a porn star's name in image search, it usually doesn't return hardcore images unless I'm more specific. That's with the filter off so I can't imagine you're seeing all this porn with the filter on.

 

[james bond]

I'll talk about any aspect that comes up. Right now you want to talk about my opinion.


I feel that anyone can ask any questions they like on RF. We all have the option of not answering or simply ignoring them.

In any case, like everything else done in moderation, such as eating, spending money, or drinking alcohol, I don't see any harm in watching porn. As for kids, I've already addressed the issue somewhere in the thread.

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I agree with you about moderation, but how much is that? Maybe once or twice a week?

And watching porn isn't just watching porn. It's really for some other purpose. It's probably better to get a sex robot, Skwim, and work your way up. In moderation. Heh. Did I just say that with a straight face?

 

[Skwim]

I agree with you about moderation, but how much is that? Maybe once or twice a week?

Depends on one's metabolism. Some people can eat and eat and never get fat. Others put on pounds at just the smell of food.

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[Mock Turtle]

There is no such thing as "porn addiction". You can have a compulsive viewing habit but that's not the same as addiction. You can have obsessive behaviors involving anything including reading, Internet use, video games, shopping, etc. so porn isn't some special case here.

Just definitions - it may not be recognised by some as an addiction, but if you can't give it up then basically it is an addiction. The best test is to try to do so.

I am doubtful of the claims that porn damages relationships. Most of the examples of that are of conservative, naive people acting shocked that their partner masturbates and watches porn while doing it. The problem there is that their partner is not realistic and too controlling.

Too easy an explanation. I've come across studies that suggest it does cause friction, to the extent that relationships suffer or end.

Men have been pressuring women into sex since time immemorial so porn isnt making much of a difference there.

Perhaps, but the nature of sex has been changing, and it seems, due to pornography, since there isn't another reasonable explanation for this. The variety and 'normality' of what is seen on the internet probably affecting this.

I'm not aware of any evidence that porn has influenced a bunch of people to have plastic surgery. The big boobed blonde Barbie look isn't what's popular in porn now, anyway. That's a stereotype from the '90s. Probably most of the actresses that are popular today are "natural". Of course anyone can be in porn since anyone can upload a video to a site. So there's lots of "regular" people doing porn these days.

I was thinking more about labiaplasty for the performers, and labiaplasty has increased in general too, such that the females so depicted in porn will probably be affecting this. Breast implants are quite often the route for those less endowed since it seems they will then be more popular - larger breasts tending to be more popular - which is a shame since smaller breasts can be just as beautiful.

I think the so-called ease of coming by porn is overstated as I have Google safe search always turned off but don't see any porn unless I specifically search for it. Even if I search a porn star's name in image search, it usually doesn't return hardcore images unless I'm more specific. That's with the filter off so I can't imagine you're seeing all this porn with the filter on.

Either I am extremely unlucky or you are not trying hard enough! I have a thing for beautiful faces, especially in the fashion sphere, and it seems to be the case there that it doesn't take long to get into murky water. If I want explicit images I know where to find them without Google offering them when not required.

What Porn Does to Intimacy
The Impact of Pornography on Children
Is pornography addictive?
Is Porn Bad For You? Santorum Brings Up Tricky Question
http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http://unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/jvq/CV76.pdf

 

[Subduction Zone]

Depends on one's metabolism. Some people can eat and eat and never get fat. Others put on pounds at just the smell of food.

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And on one's personal life. I would think that even most Christians would think that it would be better for a single person to service himself or herself rather than to enter into countless relationships solely for the sake of sex. When first with another in a serious relationship, whether married or just living together on a long term, I don't think there would be much need or viewing of pron. But after a ten or twenty years it might take something to help get the motors going, so to speak. There are quite a few couples that watch porn together these days.

 

[Skwim]

And on one's personal life. I would think that even most Christians would think that it would be better for a single person to service himself or herself rather than to enter into countless relationships solely for the sake of sex. When first with another in a serious relationship, whether married or just living together on a long term, I don't think there would be much need or viewing of pron. But after a ten or twenty years it might take something to help get the motors going, so to speak. There are quite a few couples that watch porn together these days.

My understanding as well. Many people don't buy into the notion that sex is something to ashamed of, embarrassed of, or not to be talked about. They recognize it as a perfectly acceptable part of the human condition and embrace the joy it's able to bring. Some even sharing the kick they get out of it. My position on watching pornography, like so much else in life is, If you like it, do it. If you don't like it, don't do it. Moderation always being a key by-word.


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[Subduction Zone]

Just definitions - it may not be recognised by some as an addiction, but if you can't give it up then basically it is an addiction. The best test is to try to do so.

Just out of curiosity, why?

Too easy an explanation. I've come across studies that suggest it does cause friction, to the extent that relationships suffer or end.

If pron is a fact that means that there were other serious issues. Blaming a breakup solely on porn seems unreasonable to me.

Perhaps, but the nature of sex has been changing, and it seems, due to pornography, since there isn't another reasonable explanation for this. The variety and 'normality' of what is seen on the internet probably affecting this.

I don't know of anything done today that was not done in the past. And the changes that have occurred can be arguably said to be for the better. For example porn lets women know that there are more positions than just missionary. That increases the odds of sex being a satisfying experience for them too.

I was thinking more so for the performers, and labiaplasty has increased in general too, such that the females so depicted in porn will probably be affecting this. Breast implants are quite often the route for those less endowed since it seems they will then be more popular - larger breasts tending to be more popular - which is a shame since smaller breasts can be just as beautiful.

Breast implants have been with us for some time. And before them there were all sorts of ways of faking it. The idea of a stuffed bra probably goes all the way back to the invention of the brassiere. And I am betting that labiaplasty is still very rare. Do you have any stats on it? Increasing from one out of one thousand to two out of one thousand would be a "doubling" but it still would be insignificant.

Either I am extremely unlucky or you are not trying hard enough! I have a thing for beautiful faces, especially in the fashion sphere, and it seems to be the case there that it doesn't take long to get into murky water.

What Porn Does to Intimacy
The Impact of Pornography on Children
Is pornography addictive?
Is Porn Bad For You? Santorum Brings Up Tricky Question
http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http://unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/jvq/CV76.pdf

Or perhaps you are very lucky. Also if your searches continually expose you to porn that tells me something about your searches. I looked at some of your links and got this ironic quote from the second source:

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1. Subjects considered the crime of rape less serious."

Since with the availability of porn the rate of rape has dropped I find that supposed claim rather humorous:

Evidence Mounts: More Porn, LESS Sexual Assault

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Just definitions - it may not be recognised by some as an addiction, but if you can't give it up then basically it is an addiction. The best test is to try to do so.



Too easy an explanation. I've come across studies that suggest it does cause friction, to the extent that relationships suffer or end.



Perhaps, but the nature of sex has been changing, and it seems, due to pornography, since there isn't another reasonable explanation for this. The variety and 'normality' of what is seen on the internet probably affecting this.



I was thinking more about labiaplasty for the performers, and labiaplasty has increased in general too, such that the females so depicted in porn will probably be affecting this. Breast implants are quite often the route for those less endowed since it seems they will then be more popular - larger breasts tending to be more popular - which is a shame since smaller breasts can be just as beautiful.



Either I am extremely unlucky or you are not trying hard enough! I have a thing for beautiful faces, especially in the fashion sphere, and it seems to be the case there that it doesn't take long to get into murky water. If I want explicit images I know where to find them without Google offering them when not required.

What Porn Does to Intimacy
The Impact of Pornography on Children
Is pornography addictive?
Is Porn Bad For You? Santorum Brings Up Tricky Question
http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http://unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/jvq/CV76.pdf

Whatever you want to call it, it's not specific to porn as those behaviors can form with just about any activity. The issue there is the underlying cause, which is not the porn itself. It's usually depression or other mental health condition, a traumatic life event, etc.

Regardless, the data on porn and relationships is a mixed bag. Some studies say it can cause problems and others say it is helps relationships. It's not surprising that it can go either way.

How is the "nature of sex" changing? What was the "nature of sex" beforehand? I'm not aware of sex changing that much, just that we're more open in talking about stuff people were already doing.

Porn may influence those surgeries but it's a cultural issue beyond that. People often don't realize that what is popular in porn is merely a reflection of society's views of and taste in sex. So if there's racism, sexism, idealization of certain body types, etc. in porn, it was already there in society. There's also a lot of porn that doesn't reflect that. There's all types of porn for all tastes. So I wouldn't say the problem is porn itself but the society that it is reflecting. As tastes change, so does porn.

No, I do try hard. I have no idea what search terms you're using or if you've accidentally turned the filter off. Lol.

Your first link is okay but your second link is from a right-wing anti-LGBT hate group ("American College of Pediatricians") that tries to trick people into thinking it's a professional body. I'm not reading anything with Rick Santorum as a source, either. Lol.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Twenty-five(25) years ago, a person would be considered weird, or perverted if they said that they watched porn. Even in moderation. Most Gays would still be in the closet(if not for aids). Now, because of the internet and the "pornification" of the mass media, porn is no longer taboo. With one simple click of a button, you can be immersed in an endless world of the most extreme images/videos in every conceivable genre. I have no issues with grown partnered adults trying to spice up their sex life by watching instructional porn. But they only represent a very small percentage of the viewers, and are not immune to its effects/dangers. Obviously, kids, teens and adolescence, are not in that category. The only good thing about internet porn, is that it is slowing killing the larger porn industries. These facts are from the largest internet hardcore porn website(pornhub) on the planet,(not from the 42,336 other porn/sex-related websites). These figures represent US figures only (2017).

Over a third of the entire internet bandwidth consumption is devoted to watching porn.
In 2016 Pornhub got 23 Billion visits. That's 64 Million people visiting a day.
In 2016 almost 92 Billion videos were watched
In one year, over 4.5 Billion hours of porn were watched on this site. That's equal to 5,200 Centuries.
The top three most popular search terms, for the second year in a row were, "Stepmoms", "Lesbians", and "Stepsisters". No "red flags" here, right?
Ironically, for women "Gangbang", and "Rough Sex" were their chosen search terms. Any "red flags" here either?

If people can't see all the red flags and obvious social, psychological, and physical risk factors, its because of pride, guilt, or willful ignorance. Sex is a private act, not a public spectacle. This intimacy and innate need for privacy, separates us from the mating rituals of animal. What do you think the implications are, when two out of the three top search terms on the most popular porn site, is related to incest? People don't seem to understand that porn can not only ruin a person’s ability to maintain a healthy sexual relationship, but that porn is highly addictive and can literally rewire the brain. By viewing different sexual tastes through porn, viewers can actually start to erode their own sexual preferences, and disorder their "sexual arousal template" (what they find sexy to become aroused). For the hardcore here, over-preoccupation and overindulgence will always be the fault of the viewer. It is because of this one-dimensional, oversimplified, default position, that we need videos like this in the first place.

"“Pornography is the perfect laboratory for this kind of novel learning fused with a powerful pleasure incentive drive. The focused searching and clicking, looking for the perfect masturbatory subject, is an exercise in neuroplastic learning.". I would highly recommend for those with latent porn interests to read "The Brain that Changes Itself", by Dr. Norman Doidge(Psychiatrist, Psychoanalyst, and Researcher). By viewing porn that is violent, fetishistic, degrading, or deviant, you are literally conditioning your plastic brain to be aroused by that type of behavior. Even if it is showing things that were originally thought to be disgusting or wrong. And because porn is an escalating addiction, those who watch it will inevitably end up viewing deviant porn, because they need to watch more hardcore upgrades to get the same rush they got the first time.

No matter how overwhelming the evidence may be, how clear the warnings are, or how intuitively logical the arguments are, there will always be deniers, diluters, optimists, and opponents. It is apathy and ignorance that have allowed porn to effect the sexual orientation of the majority of people on the planet. We've come a long way since National Geographic, Playboy, Hustler, and Penthouse. Just how far will this permissive society take us? Will televised murder, manhunts, extreme sexual deviancy, and executions, become labeled only as reality TV? Don

 

[Enoch07]

And your errors and lack of evidence was explained to you. You seem to have forgotten how the article itself told you that not enough research had been done. When your own article discredits itself you have no evidence.

Again denial doesn't work. Refute the studies in the article or give it up.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again denial doesn't work. Refute the studies in the article or give it up.

I did. You at best did not understand the refutation. I am not the one in denial here. I can quote your article again, which I did from the start, where it pointed out that not enough research had been done to come to a well supported conclusion. The article that you linked disqualified itself. But then it is the thinnest of straws and you must keep clutching it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Twenty-five(25) years ago, a person would be considered weird, or perverted if they said that they watched porn. Even in moderation. Most Gays would still be in the closet(if not for aids). Now, because of the internet and the "pornification" of the mass media, porn is no longer taboo. With one simple click of a button, you can be immersed in an endless world of the most extreme images/videos in every conceivable genre. I have no issues with grown partnered adults trying to spice up their sex life by watching instructional porn. But they only represent a very small percentage of the viewers, and are not immune to its effects/dangers. Obviously, kids, teens and adolescence, are not in that category. The only good thing about internet porn, is that it is slowing killing the larger porn industries. These facts are from the largest internet hardcore porn website(pornhub) on the planet,(not from the 42,336 other porn/sex-related websites). These figures represent US figures only (2017).

Over a third of the entire internet bandwidth consumption is devoted to watching porn.
In 2016 Pornhub got 23 Billion visits. That's 64 Million people visiting a day.
In 2016 almost 92 Billion videos were watched
In one year, over 4.5 Billion hours of porn were watched on this site. That's equal to 5,200 Centuries.
The top three most popular search terms, for the second year in a row were, "Stepmoms", "Lesbians", and "Stepsisters". No "red flags" here, right?
Ironically, for women "Gangbang", and "Rough Sex" were their chosen search terms. Any "red flags" here either?

If people can't see all the red flags and obvious social, psychological, and physical risk factors, its because of pride, guilt, or willful ignorance. Sex is a private act, not a public spectacle. This intimacy and innate need for privacy, separates us from the mating rituals of animal. What do you think the implications are, when two out of the three top search terms on the most popular porn site, is related to incest? People don't seem to understand that porn can not only ruin a person’s ability to maintain a healthy sexual relationship, but that porn is highly addictive and can literally rewire the brain. By viewing different sexual tastes through porn, viewers can actually start to erode their own sexual preferences, and disorder their "sexual arousal template" (what they find sexy to become aroused). For the hardcore here, over-preoccupation and overindulgence will always be the fault of the viewer. It is because of this one-dimensional, oversimplified, default position, that we need videos like this in the first place.

"“Pornography is the perfect laboratory for this kind of novel learning fused with a powerful pleasure incentive drive. The focused searching and clicking, looking for the perfect masturbatory subject, is an exercise in neuroplastic learning.". I would ehighly recommend for those with latent porn interests to read "The Brain that Changes Itself", by Dr. Norman Doidge(Psychiatrist, Psychoanalyst, and Researcher). By viewing porn that is violent, fetishistic, degrading, or deviant, you are literally conditioning your plastic brain to be aroused by that type of behavior. Even if it is showing things that were originally thought to be disgusting or wrong. And because porn is an escalating addiction, those who watch it will inevitably end up viewing deviant porn, because they need to watch more hardcore upgrades to get the same rush they got the first time.

No matter how overwhelming the evidence may be, how clear the warnings are, or how intuitively logical the arguments are, there will always be deniers, diluters, optimists, and opponents. It is apathy and ignorance that have allowed porn to effect the sexual orientation of the majority of people on the planet. We've come a long way since National Geographic, Playboy, Hustler, and Penthouse. Just how far will this permissive society take us? Will televised murder, manhunts, extreme sexual deviancy, and executions, become labeled only as reality TV? Don

After citing statistics that tell us that porn is not a problem, merely that many people have an interest in it, you then link to a bogus anti-porn article. Yes, lots of people watch lots of porn. And the stats that you used indicated that men do not watch what would be called "violent porn" that seems to be more of an interest to women, ironically enough. Psychologists that have more than a mere opinion do not seem to share your views as far as I can see.

If you can tone down your emotions a bit and waving your hands in terror because, once again, lots of people watch lots of porn, both men and women, you will see that the numbers of people watching it, and with obviously bad results, rape for instance, going down with the introduction of porn, and that it is not really a problem at all.

 

[Curious George]

I did. You at best did not understand the refutation. I am not the one in denial here. I can quote your article again, which I did from the start, where it pointed out that not enough research had been done to come to a well supported conclusion. The article that you linked disqualified itself. But then it is the thinnest of straws and you must keep clutching it.

Are you still on about how porn doesn't correlate to harm for young children?

I really didn't think this was necessary:

Children and young people’s exposure to pornography

Another good place to start. I am just really confused why anyone would think it was harmless. You must know someone in the early childhood education field, or social work, or pediatrics, or child psychology.

You are not going to believe me. This is something that should be very easy for you to access. Someone you know and trust can resolve this for you, even if common sense cannot.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you still on about how porn doesn't correlate to harm for young children?

I really didn't think this was necessary:

Children and young people’s exposure to pornography

Another good place to start. I am just really confused why anyone would think it was harmless. You must know someone in the early childhood education field, or social work, or pediatrics, or child psychology.

You are not going to believe me. This is something that should be very easy for you to access. Someone you know and trust can resolve this for you, even if common sense cannot.

No, but that is the strawman that your side has been pushing. And please note that that article supports many of the claims that I have made. But then you can't see past your strawman.

Why not trying to light it on fire:

Your side can't seem to deal with the faults of the video so you will discuss anything but that.

 

[Curious George]

No, but that is the strawman that your side has been pushing. And please note that that article supports many of the claims that I have made. But then you can't see past your strawman.

Why not trying to light it on fire:

Your side can't seem to deal with the faults of the video so you will discuss anything but that.

My claim is that in our society, porn correlates with harmful outcomes in young children.

That is what you have literally been arguing against. Well that and the fact that I am reluctant to use citations for ideas that do not need citations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My claim is that in our society, porn correlates with harmful outcomes in young children.

That is what you have literally been arguing against. Well that and the fact that I am reluctant to use citations for ideas that do not need citations.

That claim is far too general. And even your studies do not show a significant harm, and some are contradicted by statistics. For example it can easily be shown that an increase in porn correlates with a decrease in rape. Supposedly one of the outcomes of porn is a decreased sensitivity in rape in the study that you cited. Yet statistics indicates that regardless people are less likely to rape. When it comes to studies such as the one that you cited it is almost impossible for the people doing the study to remove their own bias. That is why the conclusions are often doubted. Stats disagree, and they are much more difficult to be biased.

Also that study supported me. But then you ignored that fact. When you have got rid of your strawman perhaps we can have a discussion. Having a bit of trouble burning it I see.