Pornography poll

[Revoltingest]

Bull. You have provided loaded silly questions and changed the subject when pointed out how many unfounded assumptions they make.

And she wonders why I distrust "facts".

 

[Alceste]

The only evidence on pornography I recall you presenting was that tripe by Meliss Farley,( Yes, I didn't read it all. I didn't have to) and as I told you, she doesn't deserve anyone's time of day. I'm honestly disappointed she got yours.

An hour long interview with a porn star talking frankly about the industry, a thirty page, research-based report on prostitution facts with references you could easily have followed up on, and two separate sources for statistics on rape, abuse, and child molestation. That's what I've offered up so far.

I must have missed the post where you offered up your counter-evidence. Your convictions are so passionate I'm sure you have plenty. Please share it with me!

Otherwise I've got no reason to differentiate between your reasoning skills and those of an AGW dernier or creationist.

 

[Me Myself]

An hour long interview with a porn star talking frankly about the industry, a thirty page, research-based report on prostitution facts with references you could easily have followed up on, and two separate sources for statistics on rape, abuse, and child molestation. That's what I've offered up so far.

I must have missed the post where you offered up your counter-evidence. Your convictions are so passionate I'm sure you have plenty. Please share it with me!

Otherwise I've got no reason to differentiate between your reasoning skills and those of an AGW dernier or creationist.

You want me to give you a two hour long chat with a former "satanist" revealing how they really conjured demons and he managed to turn himself into an actual vampire? Cause I can do that

Oh btw, it is a chat for christians telling them how bad satanism is and that they are out there but if they get really close to jesus christ savior, they wont be able to hurt them. The one giving the talk is the former "vampire" so lucky to have Jesus christ save him in time so he could retract his fangs! (That were giving his saliva a crack drug quality no less!)

Totally trustworthy huh?

 

[Alceste]

You want me to give you a two hour long chat with a former "satanist" revealing how they really conjured demons and he managed to turn himself into an actual vampire? Cause I can do that

Err, no, just any evidence at all that any single one of my factual claims about rape, abuse, etc. and the correlation with prostitution and pornography is untrue. You're totally certain those claims are false, so you must have some pretty compelling counter-evidence. Do you? Or does your certainty stem from something other than evidence, like perhaps wishful thinking?

 

[Me Myself]

Err, no, just any evidence at all that any single one of my factual claims about rape, abuse, etc. and the correlation with prostitution and pornography is untrue. You're totally certain those claims are false, so you must have some pretty compelling counter-evidence. Do you? Or does your certainty stem from something other than evidence, like perhaps wishful thinking?

I dont have counter evidence of my guy having been an actual vampire whose saliva seduced girls because of its drug crack quality.

This means he is telling the truth?!

 

[Alceste]

And she wonders why I distrust "facts".

And yet not one single devote of the "pornography is a great job for women" camp had been able to disprove - or even challenge with mediocre counter-evidence - a single one of my factual claims.

I'm so winning this debate it's not even funny.

 

[Revoltingest]

And yet not one single devote of the "pornography is a great job for women" camp had been able to disprove - or even challenge with mediocre counter-evidence - a single one of my factual claims.
I'm so winning this debate it's not even funny.

Yes, you're in full Charlie Sheen mode.

 

[Me Myself]

Omg! Vampires exist! A guy said so and no one has refuted him!

 

[Revoltingest]

Omg! Vampires exist! A guy said so and no one has refuted him!

You win!

 

[Skwim]

An hour long interview with a porn star talking frankly about the industry, a thirty page, research-based report on prostitution facts with references you could easily have followed up on, and two separate sources for statistics on rape, abuse, and child molestation. That's what I've offered up so far.

A single interview with anyone about their industry should never be taken as representative of the whole industry. It's only one person's view. I only scanned your two links regarding prostitution, but enough to see they didn't deal with pornography, at least not in any meaningful way. So they're irrelevant. If you want to post links dealing with the nature of pornography then I suggest to do just that. But Pleeease, nothing more like that of Meliss Farley.

I must have missed the post where you offered up your counter-evidence. Your convictions are so passionate I'm sure you have plenty. Please share it with me!

It's not up to me or anyone else to prove you're wrong. I, for one, don't engage in proving negatives. You're the one making the assertion that pornography involves prostitution, "Porn is prostitution. " (post 268) So the burden of evidence falls on your shoulders, not anyone else's.

Omg! Vampires exist! A guy said so and no one has refuted him!

Exactly!

 

[Aquitaine]

My God this thread has grown since I last saw it, and what's best is that a significant chunk of it consists of Alceste and Revoltingest arguing with each other!

opcorn:

 

[Revoltingest]

My God this thread has grown since I last saw it, and what's best is that a significant chunk of it consists of Alceste and Revoltingest arguing with each other!

opcorn:

Yipes! What a horrible thought. And porn is such a wholesome & sacred topic...it
deserves better. Oh, well...at least it's winning in the polls. Go porn!

 

[Alceste]

A single interview with anyone about their industry should never be taken as representative of the whole industry. It's only one person's view. I only scanned your two links regarding prostitution, but enough to see they didn't deal with pornography, at least not in any meaningful way. So they're irrelevant. If you want to post links dealing with the nature of pornography then I suggest to do just that. But Pleeease, nothing more like that of Meliss Farley.

It's not up to me or anyone else to prove you're wrong. I, for one, don't engage in proving negatives. You're the one making the assertion that pornography involves prostitution, "Porn is prostitution. " (post 268) So the burden of evidence falls on your shoulders, not anyone else's.




Exactly!

In what sense is porn not prostitution? I don't understand this argument at all. How do you finesse a definition of prostitution so the term becomes invalid if a camera is rolling?

 

[Father Heathen]

"pornography is a great job for women"

Out of curiosity, who here has actually suggested that?

 

[Aquitaine]

There appears to be a lot of emphasis in this thread about the Porn *Industry*, but I'm curious as to what you lot think about Amateur stuff. For example, a couple decide to bang whilst filming themselves and upload it on the net to possibly get a bit of cash in return?

Does stuff like that fit into your definition of "Porn", especially in this thread?

 

[Alceste]

A single interview with anyone about their industry should never be taken as representative of the whole industry. It's only one person's view. I only scanned your two links regarding prostitution, but enough to see they didn't deal with pornography, at least not in any meaningful way. So they're irrelevant. If you want to post links dealing with the nature of pornography then I suggest to do just that. But Pleeease, nothing more like that of Meliss Farley.

It's not up to me or anyone else to prove you're wrong. I, for one, don't engage in proving negatives. You're the one making the assertion that pornography involves prostitution, "Porn is prostitution. " (post 268) So the burden of evidence falls on your shoulders, not anyone else's.




Exactly!

Nice try. I provided verifiable factual claims, backed by evidence including testimony, research and three separate references. You wish to reject those factual claims. To do so, you need counter-evidence, a counter-claim, or even a specific fact you disagree with and your reasoning for doing so.

Just quibbling over the quality of one source doesn't cut it. Particularly when there are three others and you have provided no supporting evidence of any kind supporting your opinion.

 

[Skwim]

In what sense is porn not prostitution?

As I just said, I, for one, don't engage in proving negatives. You made the assertion, therefore the burden of proof is yours, not anyone elses.

I don't understand this argument at all. How do you finesse a definition of prostitution so the term becomes invalid if a camera is rolling?

See my reply above.

 

[Alceste]

There appears to be a lot of emphasis in this thread about the Porn *Industry*, but I'm curious as to what you lot think about Amateur stuff. For example, a couple decide to bang whilst filming themselves and upload it on the net to possibly get a bit of cash in return?

Does stuff like that fit into your definition of "Porn", especially in this thread?

No, I personally don't think it does. Not unless they're selling it commercially. If they're just exhibitionists, it's a kink. Erotica, perhaps.

That's my just my personal opinion, mind you. The generally accepted definition is any depictions of sex and sexual organs.

For the record, I only think of porn where people are being paid to have sex as prostitution. Obviously. That's most of it.

 

[Alceste]

As I just said, I, for one, don't engage in proving negatives. You made the assertion, therefore the burden of proof is yours, not anyone elses.

See my reply above.

Then what are you trying to accomplish here? You're basically just hollering "that's rubbish!" to every post without offering any of your own reasoning, counter-claims, evidence etc. as a rebuttal. You're wasting my time, behaving like a peanut gallery or a heckler, not a person with a legitimate opposing view.

Anyway, I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm asking you on what basis you have decided that the factual claims in my four completely unrelated but verifiable sources of evidence are all false.

If you haven't got an answer, stop wasting my time. Admit you just don't like the facts and are not interested in evidence, just like a global warming denier or a creationist.

 

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