Pornography poll

[Father Heathen]

This is getting boring. I'm not going to respond to any more posts that try to shoehorn my complex, nuanced, fact-based, well-considered opinion into a simple-minded bumper sticker. If you can't counter the arguments I present as they are, just ignore them. Don't change them into something else.

Perhaps you should use better analogies for your complex, nuanced, fact-based, well-considered opinion.

 

[Father Heathen]

but porn is always prostitution.

Except when it's amateur rather than commercial.

 

[Skwim]

Oh right, what is that thing called again where women are paid to have sex with random men?

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh.

Clearer now? Prostitution isn't always porn, but porn is always prostitution.

In the broadest sense of the word perhaps.

pros·ti·tute
1
: to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money
2
: to devote to corrupt or unworthy purposes : debase <prostitute one's talents>
— pros·ti·tu·tor noun
Source:Merriam Webster


pros·ti·tute
[pros-ti-toot, -tyoot] Show IPA noun, verb, pros·ti·tut·ed, pros·ti·tut·ing.
noun
1.
a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money; whore; harlot.
2.
a man who engages in sexual acts for money.
3.
a person who willingly uses his or her talent or ability in a base and unworthy way, usually for money.
verb (used with object)
4.
to sell or offer (oneself) as a prostitute.
5.
to put to any base or unworthy use: to prostitute one's talents.
Source: On Line Dictionary

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But to say that pornography "prostitution" is in some way identical to the prostitution of whores or harlots, is to purposely misrepresent the term. Lets not conflate words when there's no need to.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'm tired of being exploited for my ability to conceptualize, design, and create software, websites, and databases which model real-world processes, methods, and information for the purpose of allowing people to efficiently access, analyze, and utilize stored data. I had a neglectful and abusive childhood which contributed to my creative/inward/cognitively focused personality, which has largely led to my occupation. My employers have exploited this for years. However, I need to eat and pay the bills, and selling what is most exploitable, gives me the best returns.

 

[freethinker44]

I'm tired of being exploited for my ability to conceptualize, design, and create software, websites, and databases which model real-world processes, methods, and information for the purpose of allowing people to efficiently access, analyze, and utilize stored data. I had a neglectful and abusive childhood which contributed to my creative/inward/cognitively focused personality, which has largely led to my occupation. My employers have exploited this for years. However, I need to eat and pay the bills, and selling what is most exploitable, gives me the best returns.

You could always go into porn, although you will just be marginalized for being a man. There is rampant sexism in the porn industry where men get paid far less than women.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just look at the desperate soul who was reduced to eating bacon f
or money on camera for the pleasure of salivating men.
Caution: Mature pork related theme
[youtube]rsRnaEOfT04[/youtube]
bacon porn - YouTube

 

[Skwim]

Just look at the desperate soul who was reduced to eating bacon f
or money on camera for the pleasure of salivating men.
Caution: Mature pork related theme
[youtube]rsRnaEOfT04[/youtube]
bacon porn - YouTube

Boy, I bet you keep a box of Kleenex close at hand.

 

[Alceste]

In the broadest sense of the word perhaps.

pros·ti·tute
1
: to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money
2
: to devote to corrupt or unworthy purposes : debase <prostitute one's talents>
&#8212; pros·ti·tu·tor noun
Source:Merriam Webster


pros·ti·tute
[pros-ti-toot, -tyoot] Show IPA noun, verb, pros·ti·tut·ed, pros·ti·tut·ing.
noun
1.
a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money; whore; harlot.
2.
a man who engages in sexual acts for money.
3.
a person who willingly uses his or her talent or ability in a base and unworthy way, usually for money.
verb (used with object)
4.
to sell or offer (oneself) as a prostitute.
5.
to put to any base or unworthy use: to prostitute one's talents.
Source: On Line Dictionary

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But to say that pornography "prostitution" is in some way identical to the prostitution of whores or harlots, is to purposely misrepresent the term. Lets not conflate words when there's no need to.

On the contrary - let's not split hairs. Pornographers pay people to have sex. The people (male or female) who are being paid to have sex are prostitutes by definition.

There isn't any line in reality anyway. Many johns insist on filming their encounters with prostitutes. Most pornographers are happy to facilitate trysts with their stars with random johns, since the star factor brings in a premium price. $1500 per hour and up, apparently. We can't decide what is or isn't prostitution based on whether or not there happens to be a camera in the room. That would be silly. Why not define whether or not an activity is prostitution based on whether or not it involves people being paid to have sex? Doesn't that make more sense?

 

[dust1n]

You could always go into porn, although you will just be marginalized for being a man. There is rampant sexism in the porn industry where men get paid far less than women.

Actually, gay porn stars takes home way more than either. It seems that the high pay for women has little to do with rampant sexism, and more to do with the fact that sticking your penis is something isn't really worth that much, but sticking five penises in your backside is far more worthy of lots of money.

 

[Alceste]

I'm tired of being exploited for my ability to conceptualize, design, and create software, websites, and databases which model real-world processes, methods, and information for the purpose of allowing people to efficiently access, analyze, and utilize stored data. I had a neglectful and abusive childhood which contributed to my creative/inward/cognitively focused personality, which has largely led to my occupation. My employers have exploited this for years. However, I need to eat and pay the bills, and selling what is most exploitable, gives me the best returns.

Again, there's a difference between having a job and having a job where people shove unprotected, disease-infected penises into every one of your orifices repeatedly.

Physical boundaries are a real thing. Healthy people have them. I doubt you'd stay at your job very long if your boss insisted on shoving his unprotected **** into your backside at the start of every day.

Instead of wanking over the poor psychological health of victims of abuse, we should do what we can to help them improve their psychological health.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Physical boundaries are a real thing. Healthy people have them. I doubt you'd stay at your job very long if your boss insisted on shoving his unprotected **** into your backside at the start of every day.

Then again, maybe I'd prefer it. Everyone has different preferences and boudaries regarding what types of jobs they prefer to do and/or are willing to do. Either way, it's up to me to be exploited in whichever way I wish - just like everyone else.

But, I definitely agree on helping everyone to become more psychologically healthy, as well as doing what's possible to reduce the abuse and neglect of children in all forms.

 

[freethinker44]

Physical boundaries are a real thing. Healthy people have them. I doubt you'd stay at your job very long if your boss insisted on shoving his unprotected **** into your backside at the start of every day.

If he paid me an extra 1000 dollars each time, I might consider it. Actually doesn't sound like a bad deal. I would only have to work a couple days a week, and for only half a year and it would still pay more than I make now. I'm in college now so just about everything pays more than what I make, but if I got into porn, and made what women make that it, I could pay my tuition through graduate school and get a doctorate and still have enough to live on. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Oh wait, I forgot, we are supposed to be feeling sorry for these poor abused women who could easily achieve what I have to struggle for and work longer and harder to get it.

 

[Skwim]

On the contrary - let's not split hairs. Pornographers pay people to have sex. The people (male or female) who are being paid to have sex are prostitutes by definition.

Who's splitting hairs. Do you really believe that using "prostitution" in regard to making pornography is akin to whoredom and harlotry? Like it or not, it's far more than a hair we're splitting.

There isn't any line in reality anyway. Many johns insist on filming their encounters with prostitutes.

Gee, is that what we're talking about? I know you love to take irrelevant side trips in your discussions, but let's try to stay on track a bit. The pornography under discussion is the commercial kind, but you already know this, don't you. So why this irrelevancy?

Most pornographers are happy to facilitate trysts with their stars with random johns,

Errr, just because you say something doesn't make it so. Nor does it mean we buy it.

We can't decide what is or isn't prostitution based on whether or not there happens to be a camera in the room. That would be silly.

So why do you go ahead and do it anyway?

Why not define whether or not an activity is prostitution based on whether or not it involves people being paid to have sex?

Which is what I did when I said.

"In the broadest sense of the word perhaps."
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Doesn't that make more sense?

No. because the word prostitution has very definite connotations that have never been included in the descriptions of the making of pornography.

Look up the word "Pornography." Does the word "prostitut*****" ever pop up, other than in its etymology? Know why? . . . . . . . . Sure you do.

 

[Father Heathen]

Again, there's a difference between having a job and having a job where people shove unprotected, disease-infected penises into every one of your orifices repeatedly.

What prevents adult film studios from having health and safety regulations just like factories or any other work environment?

 

[dust1n]

If he paid me an extra 1000 dollars each time, I might consider it. Actually doesn't sound like a bad deal. I would only have to work a couple days a week, and for only half a year and it would still pay more than I make now. I'm in college now so just about everything pays more than what I make, but if I got into porn, and made what women make that it, I could pay my tuition through graduate school and get a doctorate and still have enough to live on. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Oh wait, I forgot, we are supposed to be feeling sorry for these poor abused women who could easily achieve what I have to struggle for and work longer and harder to get it.

Then why haven't you done it? You can stand to make $150k plus a year.

 

[Skwim]

What prevents adult film studios from having health and safety regulations just like factories or any other work environment?

It's not fair to those who want to go into the business and be treated like street whores because they were abused as children.

 

[Father Heathen]

On the subject of prostitutes and porn actors/actresses, would it be a loophole to seek out the services of a prostitute, but bring a camera so that if you get caught you can say you were paying her to appear in your film rather than for the sex itself?

 

[Skwim]

On the subject of prostitutes and porn actors/actresses, would it be a loophole to seek out the services of a prostitute, but bring a camera so that you can say you were paying her to appear in your film rather than for the sex itself?

A loophole in what? She wouldn't care what you decided to believe you were paying her for, just as long as she gets the moola.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

On the subject of prostitutes and porn actors/actresses, would it be a loophole to seek out the services of a prostitute, but bring a camera so that if you get caught you can say you were paying her to appear in your film rather than for the sex itself?

Try it and let us know how it turns out.

 

[dust1n]

On the subject of prostitutes and porn actors/actresses, would it be a loophole to seek out the services of a prostitute, but bring a camera so that if you get caught you can say you were paying her to appear in your film rather than for the sex itself?

You can only film porn in California, and it requires state permits. Once you got that far, I guess so?