Pornography poll

[Me Myself]

Silly. It's a legitimate question that directly addresses FH's apparent indifference toward the experience, risks and emotions of women in prostitution.

How can we have an honest discussion about it if we try to bury the fact that the women you're watching were sexually abused as children, are regularly rape, beaten and murdered by their pimps and / or johns, and riddled with sexually transmitted diseases?

My position is that mental health services is a better idea than giving them jobs having things stuck into them for your wanking pleasure.

There are a lot of problems with that question. First of all, the question assumes they feel harmed and not empowered by a carreer choice that pays them extremely well and to which they willingly took part on. Second, it proposes a false dichotomy. If they have any psychological issue they want to deal with, they very well earn more than enough to go see a shrink.

Aso the question assumes he shoulde the one making the choice.

He is not. The actors and actresses are the ones who will make their choices.

If at any moment the actress is not a willing participant, I presume most people in this read would be against it.

 

[Revoltingest]

But I think it has a right to enter this thread...... serious sexual offences against minors. In fact, I think it should come first.

That seems best for a new thread, since the crimes of child abuse are a different issue from pornography involving consenting adults.

 

[Me Myself]

Oh ! i missed another one! It assumes that all pornactors/prostitues are hurting themselves by being prostitutes/pornactors.

 

[oldbadger]

That seems best for a new thread, since the crimes of child abuse are a different issue from pornography involving consenting adults.

Cool........ fair enough. Glad I wrote it though!

By the bye, I don't get turned on by blokes getting licked by women and and all that stuff. But the right shape (no..... not yours!) in the right dress or swim-costume......... wow.

But I don't see why porn should be wrong, or banned, or how consenting adults are (often) exploited within that business or occupation. Computer operators probably get more exploited.......! repetitive injuries, eye complaints. ??:yes:

 

[Alceste]

But child pornography has nothing to do with normal pornography.


Child Pornography: not consenting minors = illegal
Pornography: Consenting adults = legal

Real rape flicks are already banned so they have nothing to do with porn.

Actually, most women in prostitution are recruited as minors, since minors are easier to control. It's not as easy to differentiate as you might think. Also, how can you guess the age of the prostitute you're seeing in that "horny teens get gang banged" video? If she was groomed for prostitution at twelve but she's still doing it at twenty, is it suddenly totally ok?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Actually, most women in prostitution are recruited as minors, since minors are easier to control. It's not as easy to differentiate as you might think. Also, how can you guess the age of the prostitute you're seeing in that "horny teens get gang banged" video? If she was groomed for prostitution at twelve but she's still doing it at twenty, is it suddenly totally ok?

Is there a difference between prostitution and porn acting, statistically speaking?

 

[Alceste]

There are a lot of problems with that question. First of all, the question assumes they feel harmed and not empowered by a carreer choice that pays them extremely well and to which they willingly took part on. Second, it proposes a false dichotomy. If they have any psychological issue they want to deal with, they very well earn more than enough to go see a shrink.

Aso the question assumes he shoulde the one making the choice.

He is not. The actors and actresses are the ones who will make their choices.

If at any moment the actress is not a willing participant, I presume most people in this read would be against it.

I think you need a powerful knack for fantasy to view prostitution as empowering for women.

Really, you've acknowledged you know nothing about it. I really think you should learn about the industry first, then make your opinion.

 

[Alceste]

Is there a difference between prostitution and porn acting, statistically speaking?

Porn is prostitution. So no. The paper I posted cited research that found the statistics on rape, beatings, PTSD, childhood abuse, murder, injury, etc. don't differ between indoor and outdoor work, although the prostitutes working indoors are statistically more likely to be trafficked women "owned" by organized crime.

 

[Flankerl]

Actually, most women in prostitution are recruited as minors, since minors are easier to control. It's not as easy to differentiate as you might think. Also, how can you guess the age of the prostitute you're seeing in that "horny teens get gang banged" video? If she was groomed for prostitution at twelve but she's still doing it at twenty, is it suddenly totally ok?

Prostitution is not Pornography.

I know both start with P and therefore it can be rather difficult to seperate them.

 

[Me Myself]

I think you need a powerful knack for fantasy to view prostitution as empowering for women.

Really, you've acknowledged you know nothing about it. I really think you should learn about the industry first, then make your opinion.

Being able to choose what you want to do with your life is empowering.

I dont think prostitution is particularly empowering in the same way I dont believe it is particularly disempowering, but it is definetely empowering to have more options to win 250k a year if you want to take such career.

As I said, I dont have an opinion on the industry. I have an opinion about porn being inherently bad for anyone.

I dont see it as inherently bad to earn a lot of money for doing a sex movie. Whether the industry is run in a way that makes this undesirable for most women is something I dont claim to know.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Prostitution is not Pornography.

I know both start with P and therefore it can be rather difficult to seperate them.

So there is no connection when someone goes from prostitution to porn or porn to prostitution. When a child prostitute becomes a porn actress there is no connection in what they do? The only major difference is one gets more privacy and maybe even a fancy dinner out of it and the other, having their whole body, every orifice penetrated on the screen for everyone with an Internet connection to see, so the pimp can sell the woman over and over again and make much more money than from old fashioned prostitution.

 

[dust1n]

In relevant news:

Woman Overcomes Years Of Child Abuse To Achieve Porn Stardom | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

In relevant news:

Woman Overcomes Years Of Child Abuse To Achieve Porn Stardom | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

You're totally out to depress me aren't you:sad:

 

[Me Myself]

So there is no connection when someone goes from prostitution to porn or porn to prostitution. When a child prostitute becomes a porn actress there is no connection in what they do? The only major difference is one gets more privacy and maybe even a fancy dinner out of it and the other, having their whole body, every orifice penetrated on the screen for everyone with an Internet connection to see, so the pimp can sell the woman over and over again and make much more money than from old fashioned prostitution.

The pimp what? Do you have any idea how much women gain in this business?

If you want to say exploited, lets fo by what they are paying men. Its so low that many homosexual sex movie actors are heterosexual.

 

[Revoltingest]

Cool........ fair enough. Glad I wrote it though!

By the bye, I don't get turned on by blokes getting licked by women and and all that stuff. But the right shape (no..... not yours!) in the right dress or swim-costume......... wow.

How do you feel about Scotsmen holding garden implements wearing tiny tiny kilts?
(Btw, the implements aren't the ones wearing the kilts.)

 

[freethinker44]

Except that in other industries, the workers aren't almost entirely composed of victims of childhood sexual abuse who want out of the industry but don't know what else they're good for.

How do you know it is almost entirely composed of people who were abused?

Even if it is, who cares, everyone has baggage. They can't get out of the industry because it pays ridiculously well. Any other job they choose would be an enormous pay cut. You think the guy changing tires for minimum wage does it because he loves it? No, he does it because he isn't good for anything else.

It's just hard to feel sorry about someone's career choice when it pays amazingly well, especially when they work for two or three hours and get paid what many work 40 to 80 hours to get.

 

[freethinker44]

So there is no connection when someone goes from prostitution to porn or porn to prostitution. When a child prostitute becomes a porn actress there is no connection in what they do? The only major difference is one gets more privacy and maybe even a fancy dinner out of it and the other, having their whole body, every orifice penetrated on the screen for everyone with an Internet connection to see, so the pimp can sell the woman over and over again and make much more money than from old fashioned prostitution.

I don't have a problem with prostitution either. Actually, I take that back, the only problem I see with prostitution is that it is illegal.

 

[Revoltingest]

How do you know it is almost entirely composed of people who were abused?
Even if it is, who cares, everyone has baggage. They can't get out of the industry because it pays ridiculously well. Any other job they choose would be an enormous pay cut. You think the guy changing tires for minimum wage does it because he loves it? No, he does it because he isn't good for anything else.
It's just hard to feel sorry about someone's career choice when it pays amazingly well, especially when they work for two or three hours and get paid what many work 40 to 80 hours to get.

We see a lot of claims about the horrible backgrounds of these women in sex trades, but even if there were
actual studies to back them up, prohibiting these gals from skin flicking wouldn't change their background.
The anti-porn arguments here smack of ad hoc invention, desperation & double standards.

I have a solution though. Since women are not mature enuf, empowered & emotionally capable of making
their own decisions, & must be prevented from acting, I propose that only men act in porn. Certainly, men
(especially white ones) won't be victims, so it would be ethical to let them have a free choice in the matter.
They can play the part of women using prosthetics & even surgical modification. So just as in front line
military jobs, where women are too vulnerable & dependent to serve, men will fulfill the role. Porn is saved!

 

[Alceste]

Prostitution is not Pornography.

I know both start with P and therefore it can be rather difficult to seperate them.

Oh right, what is that thing called again where women are paid to have sex with random men?

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh.

Clearer now? Prostitution isn't always porn, but porn is always prostitution.

 

[Alceste]

Being able to choose what you want to do with your life is empowering.

I dont think prostitution is particularly empowering in the same way I dont believe it is particularly disempowering, but it is definetely empowering to have more options to win 250k a year if you want to take such career.

As I said, I dont have an opinion on the industry. I have an opinion about porn being inherently bad for anyone.

I dont see it as inherently bad to earn a lot of money for doing a sex movie. Whether the industry is run in a way that makes this undesirable for most women is something I dont claim to know.

How many little girls and boys do you know who say "When I grow up, I wanna be a prostitute!"

Seriously. Use your head.