Pornography poll

[brokensymmetry]

Women have just as much a right as men do, it's just insulting when they do it?

I suggest you re-read the post, because nothing you're saying to me makes sense in light of what I originally argued.

Here it is:

"As long as there is nothing but consenting adults involved I don't see the problem. I see the paternalistic attitude toward full grown women deciding to sell their sexuality in one way or another a bit insulting to women."

In other words, I don't think that a 20 year old porn star who has of her own free will chosen to make her money in pornography should be treated like a child. I'd say the exact same thing about her male co-star. Whether male or female, adults should be allowed to sell their sexuality as they see fit, so long as everyone is consenting. I'd extend this argument to prostitution also.

 

[freethinker44]

I suggest you re-read the post, because nothing you're saying to me makes sense in light of what I originally argued.

Here it is:

"As long as there is nothing but consenting adults involved I don't see the problem. I see the paternalistic attitude toward full grown women deciding to sell their sexuality in one way or another a bit insulting to women."

In other words, I don't think that a 20 year old porn star who has of her own free will chosen to make her money in pornography should be treated like a child. I'd say the exact same thing about her male co-star. Whether male or female, adults should be allowed to sell their sexuality as they see fit, so long as everyone is consenting. I'd extend this argument to prostitution also.

Oh, I apologize, I did misread your post.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Most men are pigs, we all know that.

Speak for yourself.

 

[kashmir]

Speak for yourself.

scuse me, most men are, not all though.
I am 48, and most guys I have grew up with treat woman like a sex object.
Out of all of them, only a small handful have a decent relationship.
The rest have kids with more than one female, and could give a hoot less about the kids nor the female.

Maybe "most' is a bit harsh, but I am only calling it as I see it.
Most rapes and child molestation, are done by men, though.
Most prostitution are female, because men will pay for sex.

your reply is completely uncalled for.

Why do some here attack others rather than have an intelligent discussion?
Odd.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

scuse me, most men are, not all though.
I am 48, and most guys I have grew up with treat woman like a sex object.
Out of all of them, only a small handful have a decent relationship.
The rest have kids with more than one female, and could give a hoot less about the kids nor the female.

Maybe "most' is a bit harsh, but I am only calling it as I see it.
Most rapes and child molestation, are done by men, though.
Most prostitution are female, because men will pay for sex.

your reply is completely uncalled for.

Why do some here attack others rather than have an intelligent discussion?
Odd.

You attacked most of the male sex/gender. As a man, of course I'm going to take that personally. Yeah, there's a lot of crappy man, but there's plenty of crappy women, too.

 

[kashmir]

You attacked most of the male sex/gender. As a man, of course I'm going to take that personally. Yeah, there's a lot of crappy man, but there's plenty of crappy women, too.

why would you take it personal, if I said every single man...ok.
but I didn't, did I?

Not to play victim, but the only time you ever reply to me is to attack me, what gives?
I have about 200 posts and have yet to attack anyone personally, specially you.
What have I done to you that merits this?
Just wondering, if I am doing something wrong, I would like to know so I can stop.
Thanks

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

why would you take it personal, if I said every single man...ok.
but I didn't, did I?

Not to play victim, but the only time you ever reply to me is to attack me, what gives?
I have about 200 posts and have yet to attack anyone personally, specially you.
What have I done to you that merits this?
Just wondering, if I am doing something wrong, I would like to know so I can stop.
Thanks

Hypocrisy much? You've been attacking various groups on here. Don't play with the victim with me because it's going to work.

 

[kashmir]

Hypocrisy much? You've been attacking various groups on here. Don't play with the victim with me because it's going to work.

everyone discusses various groups, you included, we are debating.
You on the other hand are attacking me personally.
Don't try to turn this around.

There is a ton of threads that attack religion, so this is the only field we can attack from our views?

so I say to you,
Hypocrisy much?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

everyone discusses various groups, you included, we are debating.
You on the other hand are attacking me personally.
Don't try to turn this around.

There is a ton of threads that attack religion, so this is the only field we can attack from our views?

so I say to you,
Hypocrisy much?

"Speak for yourself" is not a personal "attack". If you have a problem with it, you should reconsider what you are saying. If you are putting down men, perhaps it's projection of issues you have or projection of personal experiences. But you should not allow those to taint your view of the majority of men.

It's like if I said most black people or white people are scum because I've had bad experiences with some members of those groups (and I have).

 

[kashmir]

"Speak for yourself" is not a personal "attack". If you have a problem with it, you should reconsider what you are saying. If you are putting down men, perhaps it's projection of issues you have or projection of personal experiences. But you should not allow those to taint your view of the majority of men.

It's like if I said most black people or white people are scum because I've had bad experiences with some members of those groups (and I have).

You attacked most of the male sex/gender. As a man, of course I'm going to take that personally. Yeah, there's a lot of crappy man, but there's plenty of crappy women, too.

again, this isn't just about this instance, my very first post, you attacked all over for asking a question about hormone shots.
You and others behaved rudely, then went on to say stuff that actually merited my question.
odd

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

again, this isn't just about this instance, my very first post, you attacked all over for asking a question about hormone shots.
You and others behaved rudely, then went on to say stuff that actually merited my question.
odd

Where did I attack you for a post about hormone shots?

 

[kashmir]

Where did I attack you for a post about hormone shots?

I am not going to rehash that, I know what happened, and see what you keep doing...
Just stop attacking me personally, ok?
I have never attacked you.

The quote I just showed, shows how you seem to be able to claim the fact that men can be pigs, but you attacked me for saying it.

I asked why you keep attacking me, you failed to show why..so just stop.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am not going to rehash that, I know what happened, and see what you keep doing...
Just stop attacking me personally, ok?
I have never attacked you.

The quote I just showed, shows how you seem to be able to claim the fact that men can be pigs, but you attacked me for saying it.

I asked why you keep attacking me, you failed to show why..so just stop.

No one's attacking you. Stop being paranoid.

 

[kashmir]

No one's attacking you. Stop being paranoid.

In out...:run:

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why give porn this stigma that people should be saved from it though? Why can't it just be treated as any other business industry? I mean, you are basically saying, or implying, that porn is inherently bad, but some people want to do it anyways so we should just try to help those who wouldn't do it if they had other opportunities. Why is porn inherently bad, and inherently is the key word here, because there are negative aspects of porn that are more the result of the stigma placed on porn and pushing porn kind of into an underground environment, so by inherently, I mean, what is it about just filming nude men and women having sex that it would be necessary to save people from it, not what is negative about the seedy underground that porn is forced into by society, what is negative about consenting men and women getting paid, and paid extremely well, to have sex on camera?

I didn't mean to imply porn is inherently bad, but rather that many people get into it due to unfavorable economic situations. For some people it's struggle with bills working at McDonalds and Walmart, or fully provide for themselves and their family by having sex on camera. Some people do enjoy doing that, but for many (including strippers) it's a means to an end. That is what should be addressed, that people should not have to even consider something they normally wouldn't do or may be uncomfortable with to make ends meat. I have no problems with pornography (especially since I usually end up giggling and laughing over the lines and sounds they make), but (as a much larger problem) I do have a problem with a socio-economic environment that puts people in the position of potentially doing things they would rather not to stay afloat.

 

[freethinker44]

I didn't mean to imply porn is inherently bad, but rather that many people get into it due to unfavorable economic situations. For some people it's struggle with bills working at McDonalds and Walmart, or fully provide for themselves and their family by having sex on camera. Some people do enjoy doing that, but for many (including strippers) it's a means to an end. That is what should be addressed, that people should not have to even consider something they normally wouldn't do or may be uncomfortable with to make ends meat. I have no problems with pornography (especially since I usually end up giggling and laughing over the lines and sounds they make), but (as a much larger problem) I do have a problem with a socio-economic environment that puts people in the position of potentially doing things they would rather not to stay afloat.

What you say is true of all occupations though. Some people love doing it, some people are doing it because it's best they can do. People become doctors, lawyers, business owners, plumbers, mechanics, you name it, there are people in all these fields that are doing it simply for a paycheck and so they don't have to work at Walmart, why should we work to save people from porn who are only doing because it is a better paycheck than Walmart but not save people from being a doctor or a teacher who do it for the same reasons and probably much less pay than a porn actor makes, why is porn the exception?

 

[Gehennaite]

I could see myself and a future partner having material of ourselves as a way to pleasure each other. It would be unthinkable of me, however, to let any of this material go beyond the bedroom and into the public domain.

I think it is disturbing to support the voyeuristic habits of others - and this is coming from someone who actually did participate on a website where I had material of myself up for display for others to see. I deleted the account because it went against my conscience. I was a subtle narcissist at the time and was rather proud of my image.

That was about four years ago and I'm glad I deleted it and made changes in my persona. The thought of strangers knowing every intimate part of my body, and the thought that they were getting off to it, violated my conscience. The comments were flattering, but definitely not worth it.

I've seen some interviews of pornographers and I legit feel they deal with mental issues. They don't seem to come from healthy, stable environments. The ones that do come from such environments seem to be textbook narcissists; hardly admirable people. Public pornography is neither humble nor modest; virtues we could really use in this day & age.

 

[brokensymmetry]

Oh, I apologize, I did misread your post.

No worries, it happens.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I believe the answer should be taken from women first, not men. They are the ones mainly under focus in pornography. Dunno, but I think that most men saying that it does not exploit women, mostly don't really care except for their own desire. I'm not saying all men.

I'd rather choose the word "expose" instead of "exploit" in this case. Jobs could exploit, but shouldn't expose people.

Just my 2 cents!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What you say is true of all occupations though. Some people love doing it, some people are doing it because it's best they can do. People become doctors, lawyers, business owners, plumbers, mechanics, you name it, there are people in all these fields that are doing it simply for a paycheck and so they don't have to work at Walmart, why should we work to save people from porn who are only doing because it is a better paycheck than Walmart but not save people from being a doctor or a teacher who do it for the same reasons and probably much less pay than a porn actor makes, why is porn the exception?

That would be ideal, but in the real world people attach stigmas to porn actors. Doctors, lawyers and business owners (usually) are prestigious professions, while plumbers and electricians can be well paid. America is still fairly Puritan, and sex workers are not held in high regards.