Pornography poll

[dawny0826]

No, I'm not.

I'm sorry. I misunderstood your stance. I was under the impression that you were in favor of a ban.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Sure bothers me. The main reason I don't watch porn is that I'm pretty good at telling how people feel, and the women are obviously not enjoying themselves in almost all of it.

This is what bothered me when I watched porn with my friend, the orgasms were obviously fake and the women just didn't seem right to me. I knew there was something wrong with it. I was young though about 15 and didn't quite understand why I didn't like it at the time.

We have obviously been socialised according to our gender and men are taught not to relate to women and this is why they generally don't have that much of a problem with it because eventually they learn to like a woman being submissive. Whilst women outside the porn can relate to the women inside the porn not only because we have common experiences as women, but because we can relate to each other and recognise another women's body language, her facial expressions, her pain. And this is why it's much more obvious to us.

I have noticed though that more and more men recognise the problems with the industry.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

So, at what point did I mention pimps? Surely there are some individuals who work in the porn industry without pimps. Should they be punished for your agenda?

Obviously you don't understand who I consider a pimp. I don't care about porn producers or porn managers who are mostly white men who make male centric pornography.

 

[Me Myself]

I have female friend who watched porn I think since twelve. I understand she doesnt watch it anymore, but she did enjoy it plenty.

I dont think the male actors she drooled about were being exploited.

In any case, I dont know the industry, so I wont say the women were or are not. i dont have statistics on how many women there want out of that job or anything. What I do can say is that as Sunstone said before, porn, in principle doesnt need to be bad.

 

[Me Myself]

Obviously you don't understand who I consider a pimp. I don't care about porn producers or porn managers who are mostly white men who make male centric pornography.

You dont care? Ah, good!

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Obviously you don't understand who I consider a pimp. I don't care about porn producers or porn managers who are mostly white men who make male centric pornography.

Which at what point refers to exploited women? Male-centered does not imply exploitation of women, as not all men desire a woman to be exploited. White men are not innately exploitative of women.

So, what are you on about, exactly?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Which at what point refers to exploited women? Male-centered does not imply exploitation of women, as not all men desire a woman to be exploited. White men are not innately exploitative of women.

So, what are you on about, exactly?

Male-centric or phallocentric means

"Centred on men or on a male view point, especially one held to entail the domination of women by men"
phallocentric - definition of phallocentric by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Male-centric or phallocentric means

"Centred on men or on a male view point, especially one held to entail the domination of women by men"
phallocentric - definition of phallocentric by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

You've changed your wording to phallocentric. Nice tactic. Now, why are you demonizing the entire industry for your own agenda?

 

[Alceste]

Which at what point refers to exploited women? Male-centered does not imply exploitation of women, as not all men desire a woman to be exploited. White men are not innately exploitative of women.

So, what are you on about, exactly?

Just as a pimp exploits his prostitutes (gains unfairly from someone else's efforts), a porn producer exploits their actors.

An independent prostitute or porn actor who gains the entire proceeds of the work is perhaps not exploited, or at least not to the same degree.

 

[Alceste]

You've changed your wording to phallocentric. Nice tactic. Now, why are you demonizing the entire industry for your own agenda?

I must say, this is a rather silly approach. Really? Accusing each other of sneaky hidden agendas? Is that necessary?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Just as a pimp exploits his prostitutes (gains unfairly from someone else's efforts), a porn producer exploits their actors.

An independent prostitute or porn actor who gains the entire proceeds of the work is perhaps not exploited, or at least not to the same degree.

I agree, however you do not find anyone screaming to ban the film industry in its entirety for the exploitation of actors in general. Obviously not all managers exploit their actors sexually in the porn industry, and there are many forms of (apparently acceptable) exploitation.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

You've changed your wording to phallocentric. Nice tactic. Now, why are you demonizing the entire industry for your own agenda?

Eeerrrmmm that's what I've always meant by male-centric it's like another phrase for phallocentric:areyoucra

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I must say, this is a rather silly approach. Really? Accusing each other of sneaky hidden agendas? Is that necessary?

I never said it was sneaky or hidden.

Eeerrrmmm that's what I've always meant by male-centric it's like another phrase for phallocentric:areyoucra

That would imply you see men as nothing more than a phallus.

 

[Alceste]

I agree, however you do not find anyone screaming to ban the film industry in its entirety for the exploitation of actors in general. Obviously not all managers exploit their actors sexually in the porn industry, and there are many forms of (apparently acceptable) exploitation.

I know the internet isn't a great communication tool, but from my point of view you seem quite upset and passionate about your opinion. More so than anybody you're debating with. So accusing others of screaming is kind of ironic.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I know the internet isn't a great communication tool, but from my point of view you seem quite upset and passionate about your opinion. More so than anybody you're debating with. So accusing others of screaming is kind of ironic.

I just tend to scream louder.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

I know the internet isn't a great communication tool, but from my point of view you seem quite upset and passionate about your opinion. More so than anybody you're debating with. So accusing others of screaming is kind of ironic.

Women aren't allowed to be as assertive as men you see

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

That would imply you see men as nothing more than a phallus.

:areyoucra what!? I really don't have this much patience

 

[Gjallarhorn]

:areyoucra what!? I really don't have this much patience

What I mean is, there is a difference between male-centered media and media centered on men that like to dominate, suppress, and generally abuse women, so to equate male-centered with "phallocentric" comes off to me as assuming all men desire such abusive media.

I'm sorry if that's not your implication.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree, however you do not find anyone screaming to ban the film industry in its entirety for the exploitation of actors in general. Obviously not all managers exploit their actors sexually in the porn industry, and there are many forms of (apparently acceptable) exploitation.

I've a theory about that.....but it won't be popular here.
It's a modern feminist faction which shares these traits:
- Anti-business sentiment which opposes film makers earning profits from actors' labor
- Prudery towards women
- Anti-male sentiment which sees men as sexual predators, profiteers, & their consumption of porn as a threat to women
- Statist view that women are prone to being victims, & must give up some liberty in order to be protected from their own decisions, even when no one is harmed.

Note to anyone who might react to quickly:
- This is not about feminists per se, but rather a subset of them.
- I don't accuse anyone in particular of fitting my criteria. (I base it upon many posts in many threads.)


Edit:
I need a name for these modern puritanical feminist commies.....hmmmm..... "purifemunism"?
Yeah, that's it! Purifemunism!

 

[freethinker44]

Just as a pimp exploits his prostitutes (gains unfairly from someone else's efforts), a porn producer exploits their actors.

An independent prostitute or porn actor who gains the entire proceeds of the work is perhaps not exploited, or at least not to the same degree.

Similar to how any other employer keeps most of the profits from their employees work.