Praising Putin.

[The Hammer]

In the thread discussing St. Paul's take on same-sex marriage, a theory was proffered that, if it's fully understood, leads to praise for Vladimir Putin.

No. But there is that isn't there.



John

Sounds exactly like what you are saying. Care to change your OP to reflect your intentions if what you've written isn't indicative of what you meant.

 

[Nakosis]

In the thread discussing St. Paul's take on same-sex marriage, a theory was proffered that, if it's fully understood, leads to praise for Vladimir Putin. While the whole world gangs up on Putin, in truth, Putin is more like the character John Galt in Putin's fellow citizen's universally renown book Atlas Shrugged.

Though today's Christians pile on to the gang rape of Putin, their ancient ancestors, to include St. Paul, and the other Apostles, would be appalled at the Putin haters and not at Putin himself; they'd be appalled that Christians have become so blind and so willing to sell their soul for a crust of bread from their globalist, universalist, humanist, masters.

May our Lord strengthen Putin and enfeeble the feeble-minded oblivious to the fact that in their lust to destroy Putin they're actually destroying the world with whom they're so madly in love (1 John 2:15).




John

Hard to find praise for someone who is causing the suffrage he is causing through his war.

Are you saying he is championing the cause of the heterosexual?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

In the thread discussing St. Paul's take on same-sex marriage, a theory was proffered that, if it's fully understood, leads to praise for Vladimir Putin. While the whole world gangs up on Putin, in truth, Putin is more like the character John Galt in Putin's fellow citizen's universally renown book Atlas Shrugged.

Though today's Christians pile on to the gang rape of Putin, their ancient ancestors, to include St. Paul, and the other Apostles, would be appalled at the Putin haters and not at Putin himself; they'd be appalled that Christians have become so blind and so willing to sell their soul for a crust of bread from their globalist, universalist, humanist, masters.

May our Lord strengthen Putin and enfeeble the feeble-minded oblivious to the fact that in their lust to destroy Putin they're actually destroying the world with whom they're so madly in love (1 John 2:15).




John

What a mess - little more than an attempt at coming to some metaphysical excuse for supporting destructive ideologies. And for what? Because they pay homage to some value or principle that some moron or another from some ancient time came to and attributed to his version of a god? Who cares? I certainly don't. This is yet another obtuse and cryptic (but with a just-detectable, over-arching terrible message) from you as a poster. I have never once been impressed with anything you have written. Today's little gem being no exception.

 

[QuestioningMind]

In the thread discussing St. Paul's take on same-sex marriage, a theory was proffered that, if it's fully understood, leads to praise for Vladimir Putin. While the whole world gangs up on Putin, in truth, Putin is more like the character John Galt in Putin's fellow citizen's universally renown book Atlas Shrugged.

Though today's Christians pile on to the gang rape of Putin, their ancient ancestors, to include St. Paul, and the other Apostles, would be appalled at the Putin haters and not at Putin himself; they'd be appalled that Christians have become so blind and so willing to sell their soul for a crust of bread from their globalist, universalist, humanist, masters.

May our Lord strengthen Putin and enfeeble the feeble-minded oblivious to the fact that in their lust to destroy Putin they're actually destroying the world with whom they're so madly in love (1 John 2:15).




John

What a bunch of pathetic homophobic drivel.

 

[John D. Brey]

Sounds like you're advocating for total anarchy? Do you really think that's what Jesus was calling for?

In my opinion, the only thing worse than total anarchy, is total unanimity of thought. In my opinion, the latter is far more dangerous than the former.



John

 

[Heyo]

Though today's Christians pile on to the gang rape of Putin, their ancient ancestors, to include St. Paul, and the other Apostles, would be appalled at the Putin haters and not at Putin himself; they'd be appalled that Christians have become so blind and so willing to sell their soul for a crust of bread from their globalist, universalist, humanist, masters.

I agree that Christians have become a bit more peaceful than their ancestors but I'm also sure that their antagonism towards Putin's war is just tribalism. Most Christians are just as belligerent as before if the aggressor is of their tribe.

 

[John D. Brey]

Looks like exterminating women and children is much more tolerable than allowing same sex marriage. Is that another pearl of Christian morality?

Did the USA "exterminate" women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? If you think so (and I don't), who are we to judge Putin?



John

 

[icehorse]

In my opinion, the only thing worse than total anarchy, is total unanimity of thought. In my opinion, the latter is far more dangerous than the former.

John

Well THAT sure sounds like a false dilemma

 

[John D. Brey]

Wouldn't this also justify Hitler's actions? After all, his was a holy war based on percieved traditions from a sovereign nation with some homophobia thrown in there to boot.

Hitler was the ruler of Germany. Germany is a sovereign nation. He conducted war on the part of Germany. I have no problem with any of that.

But I'm glad you brought that up. Arnold Schwarzenegger just delivered a plea to Russia to stop the war. In the plea he noted his dad fighting for the Nazis in (against) Russia. His dad got injured and Arnold said he spent the rest of his post-war life in pain, and ashamed.

The "ashamed" part is problematic. The soldiers in Germany were fighting for their nation. They didn't make the calls. They're all honorable unless they do something immoral in their role as the most honorable people in any nation: the soldiers.



John

 

[Father Heathen]

In the thread discussing St. Paul's take on same-sex marriage, a theory was proffered that, if it's fully understood, leads to praise for Vladimir Putin. While the whole world gangs up on Putin, in truth, Putin is more like the character John Galt in Putin's fellow citizen's universally renown book Atlas Shrugged.

Though today's Christians pile on to the gang rape of Putin, their ancient ancestors, to include St. Paul, and the other Apostles, would be appalled at the Putin haters and not at Putin himself; they'd be appalled that Christians have become so blind and so willing to sell their soul for a crust of bread from their globalist, universalist, humanist, masters.

May our Lord strengthen Putin and enfeeble the feeble-minded oblivious to the fact that in their lust to destroy Putin they're actually destroying the world with whom they're so madly in love (1 John 2:15).




John

So the gist of it is that Christians should tolerate acts of tyranny, unprovoked invasions, war crimes, human rights abuses, piles of dead children, etc. as long as those responsible are homophobic? Is that how you summarize the teachings and examples of Christ? That's a pretty damn dumb and dopey mindset, son. Hop in.

 

[John D. Brey]

I see nothing wrong with these concepts of brotherly Love.

You do though?

I find that Jesus would be ashamed.
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Globalist: relating to or advocating the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis.

Universalist:
CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY
1. a person who believes that all humankind will eventually be saved.
2. a person advocating loyalty to and concern for others without regard to national or other allegiances.

Humanist: an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.

Lexicographers are the most problematic cogs in the universalist's machine. A Christian whose Christianity is based on a lexicographer rather than Jesus or Paul is probably hating on Putin right now.



John

 

[Father Heathen]

Sorry, but there are no good guys this time. As the scripture says they're all corrupt.

Even the common people trying defend their home and loved ones from an unprovoked invasion as dead children pile up around them? Your faith/ideology is a ****-poor substitution for genuine morality.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Hitler was the ruler of Germany. Germany is a sovereign nation. He conducted war on the part of Germany. I have no problem with any of that.

But I'm glad you brought that up. Arnold Schwarzenegger just delivered a plea to Russia to stop the war. In the plea he noted his dad fighting for the Nazis in (against) Russia. His dad got injured and Arnold said he spent the rest of his post-war life in pain, and ashamed.

The "ashamed" part is problematic. The soldiers in Germany were fighting for their nation. They didn't make the calls. They're all honorable unless they do something immoral in their role as the most honorable people in any nation: the soldiers.



John

So...that's a yes?

 

[John D. Brey]

What a mess - little more than an attempt at coming to some metaphysical excuse for supporting destructive ideologies. And for what? Because they pay homage to some value or principle that some moron or another from some ancient time came to and attributed to his version of a god? Who cares? I certainly don't. This is yet another obtuse and cryptic (but with a just-detectable, over-arching terrible message) from you as a poster. I have never once been impressed with anything you have written. Today's little gem being no exception.

Nevertheless, everything you wrote above is based not on some universal, logocentric, transcendental signified, reality and truth, but on your opinion as that opinion has come to evolve from your childhood, adolescence, education, psychological biases, i.e., your epistemological development, which is clearly (your epistemological foundation) different than mine.

Whose is more in touch with reality? And why? And is the why itself just a prejudice?



John

 

[John D. Brey]

I agree that Christians have become a bit more peaceful than their ancestors but I'm also sure that their antagonism towards Putin's war is just tribalism. Most Christians are just as belligerent as before if the aggressor is of their tribe.

. . . And there was a time when Christians saw the world itself as a different tribe. But then they got TV's, Tesla's, and tasted grilled Bara Mundi. So they decided the world isn't so bad after all.



John

 

[The Hammer]

Lexicographers are the most problematic cogs in the universalist's machine. A Christian whose Christianity is based on a lexicographer rather than Jesus or Paul is probably hating on Putin right now.



John

So what you're saying is. "I can't argue with the definitions, so they must be wrong. Because Jesus."

Is about what I expect from someone without any intellectual integrity.

Could you please tell me where in the Bible Jesus says invade and crush your neighbors?

 

[74x12]

Even the common people trying defend their home and loved ones from an unprovoked invasion as dead children pile up around them? Your faith/ideology is a ****-poor substitution for genuine morality.

You misunderstand me of course. Calm down. I mean the leaders of Nato and Putin. Keep it in context.

 

[Twilight Hue]

In the thread discussing St. Paul's take on same-sex marriage, a theory was proffered that, if it's fully understood, leads to praise for Vladimir Putin. While the whole world gangs up on Putin, in truth, Putin is more like the character John Galt in Putin's fellow citizen's universally renown book Atlas Shrugged.

Though today's Christians pile on to the gang rape of Putin, their ancient ancestors, to include St. Paul, and the other Apostles, would be appalled at the Putin haters and not at Putin himself; they'd be appalled that Christians have become so blind and so willing to sell their soul for a crust of bread from their globalist, universalist, humanist, masters.

May our Lord strengthen Putin and enfeeble the feeble-minded oblivious to the fact that in their lust to destroy Putin they're actually destroying the world with whom they're so madly in love (1 John 2:15).




John

The thing is, I admired Putin greatly before the invasion. I felt his passion, his sense of nationalism, his patriotic demeanor, love of country, and his clear love and respect for those who served the Russian army, including those who were under the USSR banner.

He has an active life that few world leaders partake in like horsemenship and Judo. He also has a classy "Putin Walk" for which I even posted vids on this forum. The man was charismatic as hell.

Unfortunately, that amazing goodwill and admiration disappeared when he violated the prime rules of being an officer and a gentleman as he publicly reaffirmed time and time again he had no plans on invasion, but broke his word as he ordered his army into Ukraine to kill people including children now.

It's a tragedy to see things go in that direction but that's the way it is today. There's not much good to be said about the man anymore.

 

[The Hammer]

Did the USA "exterminate" women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? If you think so (and I don't), who are we to judge Putin?



John

We absolutely did exterminate women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Care to explain how we didn't? I've been to both locations and seen the history of them.

 

[John D. Brey]

So the gist of it is that Christians should tolerate acts of tyranny, unprovoked invasions, war crimes, human rights abuses, piles of dead children, etc. as long as those responsible are homophobic? Is that how you summarize the teachings and examples of Christ? That's a pretty damn dumb and dopey mindset, son. Hop in.

That's your summary not mine.

The point of the thread-seeder is that war is not evil. And that only the leader of a nation can determine when war is justified for his nation. The responsibilities of those who he wars with, are to win the war, not to cry foul, as though he is evil for doing what is righteous in the eyes of God: defending one's nations from enemies foreign or domestic.

What I hear from the Western media is a cacophony of cries about how Putin is evil for conducting war. They don't mention that when Gorbachev negotiated the peaceful dismantling of the USSR, one of the promises the West gave him was that Ukraine would not be allowed to become a member of a Western alliance aligned against mother Russia.

Putin is correct to be conducting the war he's conducting. And the West is engaged in a war of words against him that are, their words, "evil," in every sense of that word.



John