Prayers for Israel

[TagliatelliMonster]

So your point about it’s bad Israel is claiming the land because of religious reasons is pointless

How so?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So go enlighten the masses and save the world then

Religious people don't listen.

 

[Jimmy]

How so?

It’s simple. You’ll figure it out.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It’s simple. You’ll figure it out.

I asked you. You made a statement. Are you unwilling to justify your statement?

I'm asking you what you mean. You made the statement. Upto you to clarify it. Why leave me guessing?

 

[Jimmy]

Ya know what’s goofy? Putin telling Israel to stop

 

[Jimmy]

I asked you. You made a statement. Are you unwilling to justify your statement?

I'm asking you what you mean. You made the statement. Upto you to clarify it. Why leave me guessing?

Go look at the conversation

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Go look at the conversation

I'm part of the conversation. I know what it says.

Again, you made a statement. I asked for clarification.
Last time I ask. Failure to respond will force me to draw my own conclusion.

Upto you. If you aren't interested in honest and transparant discourse, I can't force you off course.
But at least then I know there is no point in further engagement.

I'm not interested in time wasting.

 

[Jimmy]

I'm part of the conversation. I know what it says.

Again, you made a statement. I asked for clarification.
Last time I ask. Failure to respond will force me to draw my own conclusion.

Upto you. If you aren't interested in honest and transparant discourse, I can't force you off course.
But at least then I know there is no point in further engagement.

I'm not interested in time wasting.

You’re smart you’ll figure it out

 

[metis]

Yes.

So, which military action did the Israelis supposedly do that supposedly triggered Hamas to commit the recent atrocities?

 

[pearl]

Do you really think Hamas cares about Palestinians

O course not. Why do you think that there has not been an election since Hamas won the first and only?

 

[sun rise]

O course not. Why do you think that there has not been an election since Hamas won the first and only?

That's why cutting off food etc won't work The hatred and resulting suffering are so profound and so deep that the horror we've seen is nothing compared to what is visible on the horizon. Maybe we'll see a miracle but I'm far from optimistic when I see stories like these:

Hospitals in Gaza face collapse as water, power and medicine run out​

Live updates: Hezbollah says it attacked Israeli position near Lebanon​

 

[metis]

That's why cutting off food etc won't work The hatred and resulting suffering are so profound and so deep that the horror we've seen is nothing compared to what is visible on the horizon. Maybe we'll see a miracle but I'm far from optimistic when I see stories like these:

Hospitals in Gaza face collapse as water, power and medicine run out​

Live updates: Hezbollah says it attacked Israeli position near Lebanon​

Maybe if Hamas would be willing to turn over their hostages and leave to let the Palestinians select leaders who don't want to destroy Israel and who do want to live in peace, then maybe things could become very different. Israel did start this mess-- Hamas did with Iranian financing and encouragement.

 

[sun rise]

Maybe if Hamas would be willing to turn over their hostages and leave to let the Palestinians select leaders who don't want to destroy Israel and who do want to live in peace, then maybe things could become very different. Israel did start this mess-- Hamas did with Iranian financing and encouragement.

The roots of the current horror show goes much further back to perhaps 1917 at least https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/part-i-1917-1947/ And I would not be surprised if the mindset of some Israelis trace today back to the Biblical war between the Israelis and the Philistines.

 

[metis]

The roots of the current horror show goes much further back to perhaps 1917 at least https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/part-i-1917-1947/ And I would not be surprised if the mindset of some Israelis trace today back to the Biblical war between the Israelis and the Philistines.

I well know the history, but let's deal with the reality as it exists today.

 

[Orbit]

I well know the history, but let's deal with the reality as it exists today.

I don't think we can realistically talk about what's happening today *without* looking at the history of the region. The history explains the mess we're in and why. This month's events didn't take place in a vacuum, and if anyone is to find a way forward, they're going to have to take the history into account to have any degree of success.

 

[metis]

I don't think we can realistically talk about what's happening today *without* looking at the history of the region. The history explains the mess we're in and why. This month's events didn't take place in a vacuum, and if anyone is to find a way forward, they're going to have to take the history into account to have any degree of success.

I studied the history here and in Israel and well know what and why. What I would encourage you to study is Iran's support for elements like Hamas, Hezbollah, and El Fatah, thus all terrorist organizations bent on destroying Israel.

 

[Orbit]

I studied the history here and in Israel and well know what and why. What I would encourage you to study is Iran's support for elements like Hamas, Hezbollah, and El Fatah, thus all terrorist organizations bent on destroying Israel.

What makes you think I haven't?

 

[metis]

What makes you think I haven't?

Because it's important to put the primary importance on the right element, which I haven't seen you do. However, correct me if I'm wrong as I don't read all posts.

 

[Orbit]

Because it's important to put the primary importance on the right element, which I haven't seen you do. However, correct me if I'm wrong as I don't read all posts.

The "right element"? What's that?

Do you mean that because I think the key to understanding the regional conflict is in the history of the region, that I don't take terrorist activity into account as part of that history? Of course I do.

But to understand WHY there is terrorist activity, and it goes deeper than "hating the Jews"--the history of land disputes, illegally expanded 1967 borders, settler violence, apartheid, and human rights violations also need to be taken into account.

It's not like there just one side here; there are two. And innocent civilians are caught in the middle, and of course I think that is awful. Do I condemn terrorist attacks? Sure I do. I'm not quite sure where you stand, but what I am hearing is "Israel is always right, right or wrong", and I just don't see that as a perspective that is going to lead to any kind of solution.

 

[metis]

The "right element"? What's that?

Do you mean that because I think the key to understanding the regional conflict is in the history of the region, that I don't take terrorist activity into account as part of that history? Of course I do.

But to understand WHY there is terrorist activity, and it goes deeper than "hating the Jews"--the history of land disputes, illegally expanded 1967 borders, settler violence, apartheid, and human rights violations also need to be taken into account.

It's not like there just one side here; there are two. And innocent civilians are caught in the middle, and of course I think that is awful. Do I condemn terrorist attacks? Sure I do. I'm not quite sure where you stand, but what I am hearing is "Israel is always right, right or wrong", and I just don't see that as a perspective that is going to lead to any kind of solution.

Thanks for the clarification. We're good.