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Predestination

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zombieharlot

Some Kind of Strange
Since I was overly happy and practically absurd yesterday, I decided to start a more serious thread today. I however must leave soon, so I'm going to keep it short and may possibly edit a more updated version.

Basically, I was raised a Christian and denounced my faith in that about three or four years ago. So I can't help but think about certain things. Predestination is one of them. I can't help but think that with my "chosen" path that if the Christian God is real, then I was predestined to an afterlife in hell. I mean, God is all knowing after all. This, in turn, raises some questions I have about the fall of Lucifer, but I simply must go and will update that later. So be sure to check back here (this exact post on the first page) later. Thanks all!

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Okay, so now I'm going to finish what I started saying. Basically, on the thought of predestination, wouldn't that mean that God created Satan as an adversary? I mean, if there were no demons then there would be no sin - nothing to tempt us. We'd be perfect, which would mean that we'd all go to heaven and there would be no need for hell. So I think God created hell knowing that he was going to cast Lucifer down. I just want to know what other peoples thoughts on this are.
 
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you make great threads harlot ;)

i cant answer this, but im sure you'll get TONS of opinions on it!!! *smiles*
 
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evearael

Well-Known Member
As I've stated previously...

I believe in statistics as a middle ground for free will and predestination. All of the external forces and baggage from previous experience lead to an X percent chance of a person acting in a certain way. Subtract X from 100 and you get Y... the percent chance that the person will act against X and express free will.
 
DeadVegas

DeadVegas

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I guess the real question is "Does knowing the outcome and being able to alter it mean you caused it?"

Someone needs to watch The Matrix :bonk:
 
Ody

Ody

Well-Known Member
I don't believe in predestination, and as far as i can tell, neither does a majoity of the writers of the talmud.
 
Booko

Booko

Deviled Hen
zombieharlot said:
Basically, I was raised a Christian and denounced my faith in that about three or four years ago. So I can't help but think about certain things. Predestination is one of them. I can't help but think that with my "chosen" path that if the Christian God is real, then I was predestined to an afterlife in hell. I mean, God is all knowing after all.
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I dunno, but for years I've wondered if I had to leave religion in order to find God. Maybe you're on that path now, for all I know.

I think if I had stayed in the Church, I would've spent my life mindlessly going through the motions, and not actually believing in any of it. Hm, except the basic ethics are workable. Other than that, nada.
 
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jonny

Well-Known Member
I don't believe in predestination. The thought that this is some silly game that God is putting us through where we have no effect on the outcome is absurd to me.
 
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Adstar

Active Member
zombieharlot said:
Since I was overly happy and practically absurd yesterday, I decided to start a more serious thread today. I however must leave soon, so I'm going to keep it short and may possibly edit a more updated version.

Basically, I was raised a Christian and denounced my faith in that about three or four years ago. So I can't help but think about certain things. Predestination is one of them. I can't help but think that with my "chosen" path that if the Christian God is real, then I was predestined to an afterlife in hell. I mean, God is all knowing after all. This, in turn, raises some questions I have about the fall of Lucifer, but I simply must go and will update that later. So be sure to check back here (this exact post on the first page) later. Thanks all!
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I don't believe in calvinistic predestination. But i do believe that God already knows the eternal destination each and every one of us. God knowing what we will choose does not mean that God causes us to choose what we choose.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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zombieharlot

Some Kind of Strange
Just bumping this up so people can see that I updated the original post.

And now I will get to everyone's responses to what I've already posted.
 
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zombieharlot

Some Kind of Strange
evearael said:
As I've stated previously...

I believe in statistics as a middle ground for free will and predestination. All of the external forces and baggage from previous experience lead to an X percent chance of a person acting in a certain way. Subtract X from 100 and you get Y... the percent chance that the person will act against X and express free will.
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So you're saying that 100 percent = the same thing as being a mechanical machine that is programmed towards taking a path toward heaven while 0 percent is complete free will?
 
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zombieharlot

Some Kind of Strange
DeadVegas said:
I guess the real question is "Does knowing the outcome and being able to alter it mean you caused it?"

Someone needs to watch The Matrix :bonk:
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Yes, yes! Let us all base our thoughts and theories off of movies with Keanu Reeves. Perhaps we can also create a phone booth that helps us travel back in time and collect historical figures and bring them back to the present.
 
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