Prejudice against Qur'an.

[Crypto2015]

True.
Also in the NT Jesus says " "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That would exclude most of the world.

In most writings regarded as scripture, there can be found offensive things.
This is the danger of taking every word as 'truth'.
IMO, people should have their own realisations and not borrow them from any book or person.

Are you for real? Can't you understand the difference between saying that someone is following the wrong path (i.e., what Jesus said) and saying that someone is subhuman and should be killed as a result (i.e., what the Qur'an says)?

 

[CATSISS]

There is no problem with the Q. There are only problems with its human interpretations.

Clearly there are huge problems in the quran how is murdering non muslims not a problem,sexism,discrimination i cant tell you how many problems there are in the quran.

 

[Unification]

Clearly there are huge problems in the quran how is murdering non muslims not a problem,sexism,discrimination i cant tell you how many problems there are in the quran.

As I said, there are problems the way it's interpreted literally. We aren't disagreeing here.

I see that as murdering abstact thoughts and emotions that are not of peace. Going on within mind and body, not outside and literal. A spiritual book, not a literal or historical book.

The book is the book, it doesn't think or do anything, or force anyone to do anything. It's like watching an action movie or listening to rap songs that have killing and talk about murder and then someone going to perform such actions. . and then blaming the movie or songs.

In other words, there aren't any problems unless people make them problems by turning something harmless into something harmful.

 

[CATSISS]

As I said, there are problems the way it's interpreted literally. We aren't disagreeing here.

I see that as murdering abstact thoughts and emotions that are not of peace. Going on within mind and body, not outside and literal. A spiritual book, not a literal or historical book.

The book is the book, it doesn't think or do anything, or force anyone to do anything. It's like watching an action movie or listening to rap songs that have killing and talk about murder and then someone going to perform such actions. . and then blaming the movie or songs.

In other words, there aren't any problems unless people make them problems by turning something harmless into something harmful.

It doesnt matter whatever it is what matter is the result and whats in it i have seen so many muslims in the uk said not to take it literally but,how do you take this Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing." not literally,its been clearly written there.

 

[CATSISS]

As I said, there are problems the way it's interpreted literally. We aren't disagreeing here.

I see that as murdering abstact thoughts and emotions that are not of peace. Going on within mind and body, not outside and literal. A spiritual book, not a literal or historical book.

The book is the book, it doesn't think or do anything, or force anyone to do anything. It's like watching an action movie or listening to rap songs that have killing and talk about murder and then someone going to perform such actions. . and then blaming the movie or songs.

In other words, there aren't any problems unless people make them problems by turning something harmless into something harmful.

It doesnt matter whatever it is what matter is the result and whats in it i have seen so many muslims in the uk said not to take it literally but,how do you take this Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing." not literally,its been clearly written there.

 

[CATSISS]

How could i post 3 at once i dont get it

 

[Crypto2015]

As I said, there are problems the way it's interpreted literally. We aren't disagreeing here.

I see that as murdering abstact thoughts and emotions that are not of peace. Going on within mind and body, not outside and literal. A spiritual book, not a literal or historical book.

The book is the book, it doesn't think or do anything, or force anyone to do anything. It's like watching an action movie or listening to rap songs that have killing and talk about murder and then someone going to perform such actions. . and then blaming the movie or songs.

In other words, there aren't any problems unless people make them problems by turning something harmless into something harmful.

It seems that you believe that books such as "Mein Kampf" and "Red Riding Hood" are equally dangerous. Watching an action movie is different from adhering to an ideology that has precise teachings regarding how you should see the world and treat other people. Islam is a way of life. Being a Muslim affects your relationship with other people and with society as a whole, especially because Islam is much of a political movement as it is a spiritual set of beliefs.

 

[Unification]

It doesnt matter whatever it is what matter is the result and whats in it i have seen so many muslims in the uk said not to take it literally but,how do you take this Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing." not literally,its been clearly written there.

Easily, I had to kill/eradicate/remove all sorts of abstract things within my mind that turned me out of peace and into suffering.

Suffering is restless... it is worse than not killing/eradicating the things that cause one to suffer.

It's funny..... you seem proactive for extreme Muslim's to kill out all of the abstract ideologies in their minds that have caused suffering.... but then are against it at the same time.

 

[CATSISS]

Especially when they have been indoctrinated and brainwashed as a child.

 

[CATSISS]

Easily, I had to kill/eradicate/remove all sorts of abstract things within my mind that turned me out of peace and into suffering.

Suffering is restless... it is worse than not killing/eradicating the things that cause one to suffer.

It's funny..... you seem proactive for extreme Muslim's to kill out all of the abstract ideologies in their minds that have caused suffering.... but then are against it at the same time.

No,the thing is the quran is a book written around 1000+~ years ago and has been enforced inside the culture,so parents are indoctrinating their children to believe in such nonsense,also islam happens to be world second largest religion so many peoples believe in that nonsense book thats why its dangerous.

 

[Unification]

It seems that you believe that books such as "Mein Kampf" and "Red Riding Hood" are equally dangerous. Watching an action movie is different from adhering to an ideology that has precise teachings regarding how you should see the world and treat other people. Islam is a way of life. Being a Muslim affects your relationship with other people and with society as a whole, especially because Islam is much of a political movement as it is a spiritual set of beliefs.

It seems that you're making things up and telling someone else what they believe.

Books, movies, music doesn't kill. Human's do.

Ideology exists in someone's mind, not in a book.

If you'd like to discuss different idelogies and their danger, say so.

There have been billions of people who read the Quran and aren't conformed by it harmfully. What separates them from those that are conformed by it harmfully?

 

[Unification]

No,the thing is the quran is a book written around 1000+~ years ago and has been enforced inside the culture,so parents are indoctrinating their children to believe in such nonsense,also islam happens to be world second largest religion so many peoples believe in that nonsense book thats why its dangerous.

Yes, and would you be proactive for the killing/eradicating of those harmful ideologies in someone's mind?

 

[CATSISS]

Im more into controlling the religion keeping it from going nuts,but if it does going nuts yes i would.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Quran is filled with nonsense like murder,rape,sexism,genocide,racism and all of those allahuakbar thing claiming,allah is the only and greatest god that exist well,in my opinion the most cruel,stupid,racist,sexist god that doesnt exist,so the it should be judged by common sense and moral.

Well, I'm glad this is settled, then. And "all of those allahuakbar [sic] thing [another sic]"? Seriously? "Simplistic" has just gotten a new meaning.

 

[Crypto2015]

It seems that you're making things up and telling someone else what they believe.

Books, movies, music doesn't kill. Human's do.

Ideology exists in someone's mind, not in a book.

If you'd like to discuss different idelogies and their danger, say so.

There have been billions of people who read the Quran and aren't conformed by it harmfully. What separates them from those that are confirmed by it harmfully?

It seems to me that you don't understand what is to believe in something. Perhaps you buy into that false theory according to which Christianity is peaceful only because it was "reformed". This theory is compatible with moral and cultural relativism, which are today's social paradigms, but the problem is that it is completely and utterly false. Christianity has always contained the same sort of teachings and the Christian reformation was a return to these original teachings. Similarly, Islam has been reformed many times. The last big reformation movement is Wahhabism. As all reformation movements, it was a return to the original teachings of Muhammad, which are violent and will always be violent.

Within all religions there are different degrees of commitment among believers. Most Christians would not abandon everything to go and live among the poor like Mother Teresa did, but all Christians believe that helping the poor is the right thing to do. Islam teaches that Jihad against the unbelievers is the best of deeds. Not all Muslims are committed enough to die fighting, but the vast majority of them believes that Jihad against the infidel is essential to Islam. By the way, waging Jihad is not just killing people with a machine gun. Preaching Islam is also considered to be a form of Jihad. Giving money to organizations that promote Jihad against the unbelievers is also a form of Jihad.

 

[CATSISS]

Well, I'm glad this is settled, then. And "all of those allahuakbar [sic] thing [another sic]"? Seriously? "Simplistic" has just gotten a new meaning.

Lol im a very simplistic girl you know

 

[Debater Slayer]

Lol im a very simplistic girl you know

And you are apparently proud of it. That's quite interesting.

Thinking well before saying something is a good idea. Just saying.

 

[CATSISS]

I dont think its settled yet

 

[Unification]

It seems to me that you don't understand what is to believe in something. Perhaps you buy into that false theory according to which Christianity is peaceful only because it was "reformed". This theory is compatible with moral and cultural relativism, which are today's social paradigms, but the problem is that it is completely and utterly false. Christianity has always contained the same sort of teachings and the Christian reformation was a return to these original teachings. Similarly, Islam has been reformed many times. The last big reformation movement is Wahhabism. As all reformation movements, it was a return to the original teachings of Muhammad, which are violent and will always be violent.

Within all religions there are different degrees of commitment among believers. Most Christians would not abandon everything to go and live among the poor like Mother Teresa did, but all Christians believe that helping the poor is the right thing to do. Islam teaches that Jihad against the unbelievers is the best of deeds. Not all Muslims are committed enough to die fighting, but the vast majority of them believes that Jihad against the infidel is essential to Islam. By the way, waging Jihad is not just killing people with a machine gun. Preaching Islam is also considered to be a form of Jihad. Giving money to organizations that promote Jihad against the unbelievers is also a form of Jihad.

And it's the mind and heart that needs reformed in order for peace.

I'm speaking of internal reformation. You're speaking about exoteric religion.

In order for someone to rid of all of those harmful ideologies, those ideologies must be killed within their minds and hearts.

I am saying that Jihad is an internal war of someone overcoming all of that in order for a peace and pure mind, which is what "Islam" means.

I couldn't agree more.... the external religious garbage by taking texts literally and historically needs to be eradicated in minds.

They are performing harmful acts exoterically rather than going to war internally and destroying the ideologies in mind that are causing external harm.

 

[CATSISS]

But you do know that changing all human's view on something is imposibble right well i think u meant most of them