Prejudice against Qur'an.

[CATSISS]

Now everyone lets talk about how to make pancakes

 

[Unification]

But you do know that changing all human's view on something is imposibble right well i think u meant most of them

I believe and know of goodness and peace within humanity. Baby steps.

I won't sit back and blame, point fingers, or feel hopeless.

 

[Jedster]

Are you for real? Can't you understand the difference between saying that someone is following the wrong path (i.e., what Jesus said) and saying that someone is subhuman and should be killed as a result (i.e., what the Qur'an says)?

My point was that taking the words of a book as an absolute is dangerous, whatever the book. Seems to me that many Christians & Muslims do this; you almost deify your book.
And yes. I am real.

 

[leibowde84]

Prejudice against Qur'an exposed via social experiment

http://www.dailysabah.com/religion/2015/12/06/prejudice-against-quran-exposed-via-social-experiment

Do you agree/disagree that this is the norm of western thinking about Islam.

Do you think it's the media that's responsible for it or is it just what people choose to believe.

What could be an effective way to counter it. Should Muslims themselves do more or are we doing more but get no coverage from the media as that's not what they wish to propagate about Islam.

I think that one major issue is the reluctance of some Muslims to rationally defend certain passages. Often, instead of doing so, they resort to the "well, Christians and Jews have some questionable stuff in their scripture too", "you can't take a passage out of context", or, the worst one of the bunch, "it isn't our place to question the nature/will of God". If these excuses are used, we get nowhere.

I think that Muslims have a responsibility to explain what these passages mean and why they think they are accurate/valid. But, this is one issue among many.

 

[Unification]

Especially when they have been indoctrinated and brainwashed as a child.

In order for someone to de-indoctrinate, de-condition, de-brainwash.... the exact opposite would need to be performed. Going to war within and killing the mental indoctrination, brainwashing, conditioning.

 

[CATSISS]

I was a former buddhist,confucious,christian i snapped out of it already,i think i will be an atheist my whole life now.

 

[Unification]

I think that one major issue is the reluctance of some Muslims to rationally defend certain passages. Often, instead of doing so, they resort to the "well, Christians and Jews have some questionable stuff in their scripture too", "you can't take a passage out of context", or, the worst one of the bunch, "it isn't our place to question the nature/will of God". If these excuses are used, we get nowhere.

I think that Muslims have a responsibility to explain what these passages mean and why they think they are accurate/valid. But, this is one issue among many.

I agree.

The Muslims who are of peace, it would be great for them to rise up and take a stand against the garbage that causes suffering and inequality. . many of them are which is awesome.

While not being prejudice against different books, but being prejudice against certain ideologies.

While not pointing fingers and blaming certain books, but blaming certain idelogies and interpretations.

While not worrying about what everyone else is doing, but focusing on what they're doing.

 

[CATSISS]

Yo imagine if allah plays GTA 5 what will happen?.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Lol, surely you don't think we're all falling for the lie that someone sporting the jihadist Black Standard as their avatar really cares about tolerance and understanding. (Don't think we don't know what this Khalifah (Caliphate) you yearn for is about, either.) If the Qur'an is viewed negatively, it's the fault of Muslims as well as probably what is written in the book and how it is idolized by Muslims. Also, if you want us to have a positive view of your religion, maybe you should stop blowing us up, beheading us, shooting us, enslaving us, raping us, etc. in the name of Allah.

 

[outhouse]

What could be an effective way to counter it. Should Muslims themselves do more or are we doing more but get no coverage from the media as that's not what they wish to propagate about Islam.

The problem "I see" lies at how the foundation of belief is followed. Every follower a literalist living fanaticism.

There is no moderation in belief, it is all or nothing. Either one is a muslim living fundamentalism or one is not a muslim.

You place the book over reality IMHO, and you will not open your minds to criticism to any part of the book.

Most Christians here live, and devote some time to religion.

Muslism live religion and everything else is second.

Were talking about extreme levels of required fanaticism.

 

[outhouse]

There is no problem with the Q. There are only problems with its human interpretations.

That is a koran problem, it was written for a different culture from a different time period, and to vague that is easily perverted.

The problem starts with literalism, and those who think it is word of god, when no god wrote the book.

We are guessing waraka wrote much of it, who was a heretic priest known to pervert the bible changing into Arabic into what ever he felt like. This man was not only muhammads cousin, but found Muhammad wondering alone in the mountains at 5 years of age, this tradition tells me Muhammad was raised by Christian heretic priest who taught him his ways. He passed these on as an adult.

 

[Unification]

That is a koran problem, it was written for a different culture from a different time period, and to vague that is easily perverted.

The problem starts with literalism, and those who think it is word of god, when no god wrote the book.

We are guessing waraka wrote much of it, who was a heretic priest known to pervert the bible changing into Arabic into what ever he felt like. This man was not only muhammads cousin, but found Muhammad wondering alone in the mountains at 5 years of age, this tradition tells me Muhammad was raised by Christian heretic priest who taught him his ways. He passed these on as an adult.

Even the whole Waraka-Muhammed tradition and stroryline of those two seem to have bits and pieces of stories with a very similar resemblance of certain Hebrew written "old testament" stories and characters.

Perhaps it seems to all be referring to the same stuff just in different languages, even the use of the names "Waraka" and "Muhammed."

You know that I am willing to take it a step farther and state that Waraka and Muhammed are fictional characters that man has turned into historical and traditional characters. . and simply say, we do not know who wrote this stuff originally but all of it seems to be written in mythological parables and poetic form in which are all very similar and interconnected amongst all of the different languages, meanings of words.

Nevertheless, whether keeping it at that step or taking it a step further.. we share common interest.

 

[outhouse]

You know that I am willing to take it a step farther and state that Waraka and Muhammed are fictional characters that man has turned into historical and traditional characters.

They both have historicity.

Your refusal of knowledge is noted and dismissed as worthless rhetoric.

 

[Unification]

They both have historicity.

Your refusal of knowledge is noted and dismissed as worthless rhetoric.

Provide some historicity for me. A few links that you go off of.

I'm not naive and guillable enough to believe autobiographies, what mankind has written about history... especially with the magnitude of religious history, as we see that mankind will create all sorts of things to fulfill their agendas, religions, and promote fictional characters as real. To me, that is not knowledge.

The only thing I know is that it was written by someone.

 

[outhouse]

The only thing I know is that it was written by someone.

No one can debate against admitted ignorance.

You don't know, so you have nothin at all that can be credible when participating in a debate.

 

[Unification]

No one can debate against admitted ignorance.

You don't know, so you have nothin at all that can be credible when participating in a debate.

Correct, I don't know who wrote any of them... therefore I won't just make up someone as a best guess. That is not credible. If you say that it is historical, please provide your sources. Actually participate in the very thing you're so eager to do... argue. If the historical evidence is accurate that you provide, I will humbly eat my words.

What is it with you? We share the same interests and yet you still have to be arrogant and argue. Find your Islam(inner peace) already .

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

The thing is if only muslims in UK stop preaching and forcing their religion to everybody we will be fine.

But that's what Islam (which means submission) requires of all Muslims. They must fight for Sharia, either with violent Jihad or political Jihad. In either case, theocracy (the rule of religion which ultimately means the rule of the clerical class), is what they are submitting themselves to achieve. Sharia is already making inroads in the UK with neighborhood Sharia councils--which moderates are afraid to oppose. They're being appeased, as Obama it trying to do here, and growing with their immigration, until they have the power to replace your rule of law with Sharia.

If we can't muster the courage to fight them, then:

Quran (9:29):
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Jizya is an additional tax on non-Muslims, especially Jews and Christians ("People of the Book")

It Makes the Brave New World feel like utopia.

 

[CATSISS]

But that's what Islam (which means submission) requires of all Muslims. They must fight for Sharia, either with violent Jihad or political Jihad. In either case, theocracy (the rule of religion which ultimately means the rule of the clerical class), is what they are submitting themselves to achieve. Sharia is already making inroads in the UK with neighborhood Sharia councils--which moderates are afraid to oppose. They're being appeased, as Obama it trying to do here, and growing with their immigration, until they have the power to replace your rule of law with Sharia.

If we can't muster the courage to fight them, then:

Quran (9:29):
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Jizya is an additional tax on non-Muslims, especially Jews and Christians ("People of the Book")

It Makes the Brave New World feel like utopia.

Well,you are right i rather just eliminate this nonsense book in the UK.

 

[CATSISS]

I think that one major issue is the reluctance of some Muslims to rationally defend certain passages. Often, instead of doing so, they resort to the "well, Christians and Jews have some questionable stuff in their scripture too", "you can't take a passage out of context", or, the worst one of the bunch, "it isn't our place to question the nature/will of God". If these excuses are used, we get nowhere.

I think that Muslims have a responsibility to explain what these passages mean and why they think they are accurate/valid. But, this is one issue among many.

Well if you ask ISIS to explain,the image of islam will go nuts ,but if u ask the cherry picker muslim it will be incomplete but more modern.

The problem is the book,and different views give different explaination im better off with my cherry picker friends,also it should be the unbiased people's job to explain it,not muslims because they are heavily biased and stupid.

 

[CATSISS]

Correct, I don't know who wrote any of them... therefore I won't just make up someone as a best guess. That is not credible. If you say that it is historical, please provide your sources. Actually participate in the very thing you're so eager to do... argue. If the historical evidence is accurate that you provide, I will humbly eat my words.

What is it with you? We share the same interests and yet you still have to be arrogant and argue. Find your Islam(inner peace) already .

Sorry,but there is no such thing as islam inner peace,it literally means submit.