Prejudice against Qur'an.

[Unification]

From a psychological viewpoint, having a god sniveling over who he likes and dislikes is a pretty thin gruel. It makes "god" sound like a rather petty human animal in that he would even think to mention this in his dreary little book.

If one sees "god" as an exoteric egotistical sky daddy sure I absolutely agree.

Who would YOU like, a man of peace or a man of violence? What do YOU like about violence? What does the good in you have to say about violence?

 

[Unification]

Thus saith the good conscious mind, the most vile creatures are those whom lack belief in peace, purity, goodness, and mercy.

 

[Unification]

Lets say,I have an average IQ; I have toilet education,can read and write,do some maths calculation,better than apes But I fully comprehend ISIS is a product of islamic teachings which advise non muslims to be beheaded. Pls google the chapters doing so far. A religion advising women to be beat cannot be a religion.

By the way, it is so easy,chaps, just ignore these chapters,but then pls do not tell me lies that every word of Koran is coming from God. God did not evolve under 65 degrees celcius. You got it?

Yes, that stuff is pretty vile when taken literally.

I see the beheading as metaphysical, behead the ego head. The ego is the head and power in most of mankind and needs be-headed since it strips away peace.

The woman in all texts always refers to the subconscious mind. The man beating the woman is a vile conscious mind in any being impregnating their subconscious mind with vile garbage based upon what one is dwelling on. Leaving one twisted, impure, vile, beaten, enslaved suffering subconscious mind.

Metaphysically, the man(conscious mind) is always head of the woman(subconscious mind).

Physically and literally.... that is very sick.

 

[YmirGF]

If one sees "god" as an exoteric egotistical sky daddy sure I absolutely agree.

Who would YOU like, a man of peace or a man of violence? What do YOU like about violence? What does the good in you have to say about violence?

I'm not a big "peace, love and beads" type of person. The only type of people I meet are relatively peaceful types. I've even been friends with a Hell's Angel's "enforcer" who collected debts for a "living", as it were. He was a super nice guy... as long as you didn't owe someone he answered to any money... Though it never would occur to me to tick him off, LOL. That might not go too well. As far as violence goes, I'm a pretty non-violent person and have rarely encountered it in my life. The times it reared its ugly head there were clear reasons why it happened. Violence is a part of life just like peaceful people are. I don't think "good" people are inherently better. I think violent people have fairly good reasons for why they are violent and those reasons often go back into their formative years. I'd like to think a being worthy of being called "god" would understand that and not put them down for what their life's circumstances have made them.

 

[YmirGF]

I see the beheading as metaphysical, behead the ego head. The ego is the head and power in most of mankind and needs be-headed since it strips away peace.

I think it is also attitudes like this that contribute to the problem. Ego is NOT the problem, though egotism can be a problem for some. Ego is not standing in the way of peace but rather, it is stupid assertions like what you have made that are real impediments to lasting peace, be that internally or externally.

The woman in all texts always refers to the subconscious mind. The man beating the woman is a vile conscious mind in any being impregnating their subconscious mind with vile garbage based upon what one is dwelling on. Leaving one twisted, impure, vile, beaten, enslaved suffering subconscious mind.

Metaphysically, the man(conscious mind) is always head of the woman(subconscious mind).

Physically and literally.... that is very sick.

I'm not even sure how to respond to this nuanced rubbish.

 

[Unification]

I'm not a big "peace, love and beads" type of person. The only type of people I meet are relatively peaceful types. I've even been friends with a Hell's Angel's "enforcer" who collected debts for a "living", as it were. He was a super nice guy... as long as you didn't owe someone he answered to any money... Though it never would occur to me to tick him off, LOL. That might not go too well. As far as violence goes, I'm a pretty non-violent person and have rarely encountered it in my life. The times it reared its ugly head there were clear reasons why it happened. Violence is a part of life just like peaceful people are. I don't think "good" people are inherently better. I think violent people have fairly good reasons for why they are violent and those reasons often go back into their formative years. I'd like to think a being worthy of being called "god" would understand that and not put them down for what their life's circumstances have made them.

Enjoyed reading that.

That is why it is foolish to judge another. While one may be born into a more peaceful and less conditioned family and environment, another is born into hostility, severe conditioning. We haven't walked a day in anyone else's shoes but our own. The environment is the cause, suffering is the effect.

It's why we wrestle against the abstract stuff within ourselves and others that take away freedom and equality.

I believe in goodness and change within mankind. It is a patient process of being and becoming. Less violence and inequality and more good and equality. Liberation from the junk that causes harm.

Sure, even most of what is perceived as good is not.

Either way, if someone is violent and suffering.... there is an escape to such.

Then again, what if they made their bed and chose their life circumstances and environment? That's we human beings do metaphysically, we internally collect debts and must pay the price for our actions regardless if there is an external "god," an internal "god" or not. Cause and effect.

If someone does something stupid, they will suffer and cause others to suffer. If someone dies to and overcomes that junk that causes suffering... their mind is liberated and free from suffering. It's not needed or necessary, but only if one has had enough and wants to find the other side of the shore.

 

[Unification]

I think it is also attitudes like this that contribute to the problem. Ego is NOT the problem, though egotism can be a problem for some. Ego is not standing in the way of peace but rather, it is stupid assertions like what you have made that are real impediments to lasting peace, be that internally or externally.

I'm not even sure how to respond to this nuanced rubbish.

It seems that you prefer the literal interpretations.

The false ego/selfishness of mankind leads to all problems.

I am sorry that you see differently, and take the finger away from self accountability.

Perhaps you can try to know yourself a bit better and how the mind works.

That is also a large issue... making judgements on things you do not know or understand.

 

[Crypto2015]

What's so bad about that verse, and there are also many versions. You're doing the same thing... Calling the disbelievers in peace, purity, and mercy as the worst of living creatures. (ISIS members.)

No. I am not saying that ISIS members are subhuman. I believe that ISIS members are souls that need to be saved and that we should pray for them. At the same time, it is important for people to understand that the doctrines behind ISIS's actions come directly from the Qur'an. These doctrines must be denounced and rejected. Until now, people just choose to ignore these doctrines.

 

[YmirGF]

It seems that you prefer the literal interpretations.

No, I tend to accept how the vast majority of Islamic "scholars" interpret it. One can nuance things beyond recognition to the point of meaninglessness.

The false ego/selfishness of mankind leads to all problems.

And I will always steadfastly defend the ego even if, on occasion, I rail against egotistical behaviors.

I am sorry that you see differently, and take the finger away from self accountability.

Hehe. You're the one who moved the goal posts outside the ballpark. The All powerful Allah sneering at those who do not believe in him is a long way away from people taking responsibility for their own actions. If anything, it's the cosmic trump card.

 

[Unification]

No. I am not saying that ISIS members are subhuman. I believe that ISIS members are souls that need to be saved and that we should pray for them. At the same time, it is important for people to understand that the doctrines behind ISIS's actions come directly from the Qur'an. These doctrines must be denounced and rejected. Until now, people just choose to ignore these doctrines.

I love that attitude, support the human being and dislike the doctrines.

 

[Unification]

No, I tend to accept how the vast majority of Islamic "scholars" interpret it. One can nuance things beyond recognition to the point of meaninglessness.

And I will always steadfastly defend the ego even if, on occasion, I rail against egotistical behaviors.

Hehe. You're the one who moved the goal posts outside the ballpark. The All powerful Allah sneering at those who do not believe in him is a long way away from people taking responsibility for their own actions. If anything, it's the cosmic trump card.

Sure, the ego is a part of us and has its good side.

You're creating something that's not there... which part of the mind would you call that that does such?

You have preconceived perceptions of what "Allah" is and apply that to me... which is an utterly false witness.

It doesn't suprise me that you just accept anything because it's in the majority and the crowd and you feel it is "scholarly."

 

[Crypto2015]

I have not ever seen any community opposing west but flooding to west in tens of thousands . I dunno if the word dilemma is the right to be put.

I think that it is a complex issue because Muhammad was also a migrant. He moved from Mecca to Medina and transformed the latter city into an Islamic State. So, perhaps from an Islamic point of view migration is just one more way to spread Islam. The Muslim migrants with whom I have talked saw the West as morally inferior. I think the idea is to transform the West into a Muslim region while at the same preserving the wealth of the Western countries. It is unreasonable in my opinion, since I believe that Islam is actually incompatible with the ideas that have allowed the West to become wealthy and free. For example, there can be no intellectual advancement without freedom of expression.

 

[YmirGF]

Sure, the ego is a part of us and has its good side.

You're creating something that's not there... which part of the mind would you call that that does such?

You have preconceived perceptions of what "Allah" is and apply that to me... which is an utterly false witness.

It doesn't suprise me that you just accept anything because it's in the majority and the crowd and you feel it is "scholarly."

False witness? *snort* That is so terribly rich.

Point though: I don't believe what the so-called Muslim "scholars" have to say. I think most of them are on glue. However, it is somewhat foolhardy to ignore the strident beliefs of so many people over such a long period of time and pretending that their "learned" opinions mean nothing or to treat them as if they do not exist. That's not how things world in Islamic jurisprudence. Your reading of these texts represents a fringe of a fringe of a fringe viewpoint and therefore has little merit.

False witness? *snort* That is so terribly rich.

 

[Unification]

I think that it is a complex issue because Muhammad was also a migrant. He moved from Mecca to Medina and transformed the latter city into an Islamic State. So, perhaps from an Islamic point of view migration is just one more way to spread Islam. The Muslim migrants with whom I have talked saw the West as morally inferior. I think the idea is to transform the West into a Muslim region while at the same preserving the wealth of the Western countries. It is unreasonable in my opinion, since I believe that Islam is actually incompatible with the ideas that have allowed the West to become wealthy and free. For example, there can be no intellectual advancement without freedom of expression.

Going even deeper, for me...Muhammad wasn't even real and represents something within the human being, as does Medina and Mecca. The West is referring the Western Hemisphere of the brain. Mecca refering to the center of the brain.

We are easily deceived because that is how man tends to think... literally and historically rather than metaphysically and spiritually. The texts have been taken and made out to be literal and historical by scholars and theologeans.

Textual wealth is within. Within the brain, mind, and body. One living in their Western brain of intellect is morally inferior while the casting the net into the East hemisphere will see the metaphysical, spiritual, and morals.

 

[Unification]

False witness? *snort* That is so terribly rich.

Point though: I don't believe what the so-called Muslim "scholars" have to say. I think most of them are on glue. However, it is somewhat foolhardy to ignore the strident beliefs of so many people over such a long period of time and pretending that their "learned" opinions mean nothing or to treat them as if they do not exist. That's not how things world in Islamic jurisprudence. Your reading of these texts represents a fringe of a fringe of a fringe viewpoint and therefore has little merit.

False witness? *snort* That is so terribly rich.

Yes, false witness..... spreading lies or lying about another.

Again, adding all sorts of stuff that never was there. They do exist and they exist abstractly in mind, and they also mean a lot. Never said that they didn't. Which part of your mind creates these things that aren't even there and apply them to me?

 

[YmirGF]

Yes, false witness..... spreading lies or lying about another.

Again, adding all sorts of stuff that never was there. They do exist and they exist abstractly in mind, and they also mean a lot. Never said that they didn't. Which part of your mind creates these things that aren't even there and apply them to me?

Not so fast, Sherlock.

Lying implies I know what you are babbling on and on about, but pretend that you are not saying what you are saying. I'm not really sure what to make of your rant. My general feeling is that you don't actually know either but believe you have found a way to slide it into your own nuanced narrative... a narrative that is not shared by the overwhelming majority of Muslims. I don't quite understand why someone would bother, really.

 

[Unification]

Not so fast, Sherlock.

Lying implies I know what you are babbling on and on about, but pretend that you are not saying what you are saying. I'm not really sure what to make of your rant. My general feeling is that you don't actually know either but believe you have found a way to slide it into your own nuanced narrative... a narrative that is not shared by the overwhelming majority of Muslims. I don't quite understand why someone would bother, really.

False, you're assuming on me all of your own preconceived conditioning beliefs.

I have not pretended anything. If you point the finger back at yourself, the only pretending going on is you pretending you know what I am saying. You are pretending based upon your perceptioned conditioning.

I am not here to please the overwhelming majority of traditions, superstitions and legend has its.

 

[YmirGF]

I am not here to please the overwhelming majority of traditions, superstitions and legend has its.

Evidently... Not even sure what the last part is supposed to mean... Jus' sayin'

 

[Unification]

Evidently... Not even sure what the last part is supposed to mean... Jus' sayin'

You seem to think that I am emotionally vested into what the "majority" perceives because the vast majority of "Muslims" say it is.

 

[YmirGF]

You seem to think that I am emotionally vested into what the "majority" perceives because the vast majority of "Muslims" say it is.

Heaven forbid you take them at their word. Why would they possibly know what their source texts are saying?
You are essentially saying that for 1400 years Muslims don't have the foggiest idea what their most sacred text is telling them.

Thank goodness you have come along to explain it for us.