Premarital Sex vs. Homosexuality

[kejos]

Hold on... are you saying that I said that?

On the contrary, I wrote that it is others who say it.

 

[Autodidact]

Is it agreed, then, that the 'True Scotsman' gambit is nonsensical, and that Christians are known by their kind, peaceable, forgiving, self-controlled behavior, against which there is no law?

And here I thought the definition was believing in Jesus Christ.

No, that's a ridiculous definition, as it would include millions of people who neither know nor care about Jesus Christ, and exclude the majority of people who do.

 

[kejos]

You quoted Paul regarding a lot of things, like that whole romans thing regarding "natural use". And you use that to condemn homosexuals.

The strongest nation is imagination!

I asked for verses quoting Jesus

I can't think why, when you totally ignore his definition of a Christian. You can't pick and mix, duck and dive, you know.

 

[Dezzie]

On the contrary, I wrote that it is others who say it.

Okay and why on Earth would others think that if it is not what I originally wrote? The only thing I said was that SOME Christians can be very... very ignorant. lol the words "Christians don't love Homosexuals" never escaped my mouth... or... mind that is.

 

[Misty]

You can't pick and mix, duck and dive, you know.

Yes you can, that is what most do where matters of faith are concerned

 

[kejos]

You can't pick and mix, duck and dive, you know.

Yes you can, that is what most do where matters of faith are concerned

You're absolutely right there.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Thanks! I can always use a big hug!

Just to clarify, I haven't actually had all of those things happen to me, that vent was an amalgamation of personal experience, experience of friends, and lots of news items. I don't want anyone to think that ALL of that has happened directly to me. Enough of it has been personal experience though.

I understand. Same here. :yes:

 

[Autodidact]

I think that homosexuality, in some cases, is an existential thing in its cause- it's an objection to creation, to existence itself, particularly one's own creation; and perversion, or inversion, of everything, as far as possible, is what ensues from this attitude. Homosexuality is the most obvious 'inversion'. This decision may take place early enough in life to go unremembered, even in the womb. The event may occur later in life, but be suppressed in the memory. Whenever it occurs, the subject may honestly believe that he/she was born homosexual. Others may recall their decision, but say that their behavior is innate.

And this may be all incorrect.

I think homophobia is a form of mental illness, an objection to reality, to existence itself, particulary God's creation and rejection of life as God has made it. Homophobia is the most obviuos 'insanity'. This decision may take place early enough in life to go unremembered, even in the womb. The event may occur later in life, but be suppressed in the memory. Whenever it occurs, the subject may honestly believe s/he is rational. Others may realize they're nuts, but say it's all God's fault.

And this may have as much truth as your bigoted nonsense.

 

[Autodidact]

But then they won't be Christians, will they.

But then, neither would you, would you?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I think homophobia is a form of mental illness, an objection to reality, to existence itself, particulary God's creation and rejection of life as God has made it. Homophobia is the most obviuos 'insanity'. This decision may take place early enough in life to go unremembered, even in the womb. The event may occur later in life, but be suppressed in the memory. Whenever it occurs, the subject may honestly believe s/he is rational. Others may realize they're nuts, but say it's all God's fault.

And this may have as much truth as your bigoted nonsense.

I can't frubal this right now. *sigh*

This is all I can offer. :clap2:

 

[Dezzie]

I think homophobia is a form of mental illness, an objection to reality, to existence itself, particulary God's creation and rejection of life as God has made it. Homophobia is the most obviuos 'insanity'. This decision may take place early enough in life to go unremembered, even in the womb. The event may occur later in life, but be suppressed in the memory. Whenever it occurs, the subject may honestly believe s/he is rational. Others may realize they're nuts, but say it's all God's fault.

And this may have as much truth as your bigoted nonsense.

:bow:

 

[Autodidact]

I can't frubal this right now. *sigh*

This is all I can offer. :clap2:

Thanks. *blushes becomingly* Brand new forum custom when barred from fruballing is to post an ABBA image. Why, you ask? Because if you google search for a frubal image, you get a slightly horrific picture of ABBA dressed in tinfoil. I don't know, maybe frubal is a Swedish word?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Thanks. *blushes becomingly* Brand new forum custom when barred from fruballing is to post an ABBA image. Why, you ask? Because if you google search for a frubal image, you get a slightly horrific picture of ABBA dressed in tinfoil. I don't know, maybe frubal is a Swedish word?

You mean this?
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I prefer this option - frubal panties:

 

[Duck]

You mean this?
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That is totally the one.

ETA: either that or post the YouTube of 'Dancing Queen'

 

[Autodidact]

You mean this?
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I prefer this option - frubal panties:

Can't read the imprint. Just post panties in lieu of frubals?

 

[McBell]

I'll present some for you.
Rom 1:24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

Perhaps you misunderstand.
You were supposed to present Bible verses that state that homosexuality is unnatural.

 

[justbehappy]

People should be concerned with their own lives, rather than hating on others.

If I go out and spend the rest of my life gay bashing and trying to convert someone to being straight, then when I get to Heaven and find out from God that I haven't been accepting of others, but more concerned with them rather than my life and relationship with God - I'm going to kick myself!

I don't even mind people trying to convert me though truly. As long as they go about it with respect and good intentions - but this is hardly ever the case unfortunately

 

[justbehappy]

I see it as the same.

If someone of any faith tries to change me, I won't listen. Just like if someone tells me I should eat meat again, or dress a certain way.

The more you force people, you more they will fight away from it.

You don't have to listen to everything that people say, but be open-minded about what you hear. Automatically turning people away and what they have to say is the reason homophobia exists. They don't want to hear the defense, so they don't listen to it.

 

[Smoke]

My church organization is equally against all sin.

Though it is my idea that the reason why certain christian's today make such a big deal about homosexuality is because it's constantly in the news. If Premarital sex was constantly in the news then there would be an open out rage against it. Though thats just my opinion.

Homosexuality is constantly in the news because religious leaders are constantly having hissy fits about it. Premarital sex is not constantly in the news because religious people themselves don't make nearly as big a deal about it as they do about homosexuality.

 

[justbehappy]

Personally... I don't believe God would condemn anyone (homosexual or not) if they are in love, happy, and are "soulmates". My husband and I made love before we were married too, so what. I don't think the Lord or whoever is out there would send me to Hell because I MADE LOVE to my soulmate before we were married. Give me a break. I believe that some people think about sex in the wrong way though... Too many people do it with various people a week (strangers at that), and for the soul purpose of it being fun. lol I don't know why either... it's way better when you are in love.

I completely agree with this view. And what I meant by premarital sex is the messing around, not making love to the person you love before you are married. I was putting it in terms of what the bible calls it. And it's the messing around that I see as a much bigger sin (if I believed in sins) than homosexuality - because of the fact that it is love and not lust.

I think that whoever wrote the Bible may have put their own thoughts and feelings in there as a way to control people away from doing things the writer didn't like. It's so easy to "write the words of God" in my own words... I very well could have wrote a passage in there that said "God does not approve of Pornography"... and just for the soul reason that I didn't/don't agree with it.

Homosexuality is NOT wrong... it's all on a personal opinion basis if you ask me. I mean... some children are born homosexuals (IMO). Some children (when they are very young) know they are different than other people (heterosexuals) and are confused. Why in the world would God put a Spirit on this Earth, that is born different like that when he himself doesn't approve of it? Is it just a sick joke and a horrid way to mess with that young, confused child? Ugh... For goodness gracious people... the Bible was re-written OVER AND OVER. Are you all seriously going to sit there and say "every word in the Bible is 100% the word of God"??

I also completely agree with this. Frubals.