President Trump moment of glory.

[Sunstone]

It's fascinating how even some folks politically opposed to Trump seem so embarrassed for the man and his lack of competence and achievement in office that they jump at any slim chance to praise him. How can you believe Singapore was a win for Trump, though -- even if you are determined that it be one?

He exchanged joint US/S.Korean military exercises for vague, groundless promises of doing something about the North's nukes.
By making such an exchange, he weakened himself and America.
He all but endorsed North Korea's oppression of its people, saying he had this message for them, “I think you have somebody that has a great feeling for them. He wants to do right by them and we got along really well.”

That's a "moment of glory"?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Right. Because it's a completely inaccurate, and deliberately misleading word to use. Obama didn't "give" Iran $400 million dollars, because the money wasn't Obama's to give. It already belonged to Iran, it had been seized and was being held as part of an embargo.

Now, whether you agree with the decision to unfreeze the money in exchange for the Iran deal is a totally separate matter. If you don't think it was a fair trade, fine, that's perfectly valid. But trying to suggest that Obama "gave" Iran anything (the inference being it was a payment from American coffer) is misleading to the point of falsehood.

Usual caveats; I don't like Obama, and never did. He did a bunch of things I strongly oppose. None of that justifies lying about him.

Does this?

 

[idav]

At lease people knows one thing, That President Trump did something that none of other Presidents did, got to meet and shake hands with North Korea, Kim Jon un.
Without having to do anything.

Unlike Obama giving Iran $400, million dollars and then trying to hide it out from the American people and Congress. And this was all done in the middle of the night.

So Obama not taking the Iran deal before Congress, like he should haved done, it's not binding, Now if Iran wants another deal, it will go before Congress so it will be a binding deal. By President Trump and Congress.
It was just another sneaky deal done by Obama and John Kerry.and there's more to come, Stay Tune People

President Trump brought the unemployment way down, for African Americans and the Latinos. More than any other president ever did.
President Trump wanted to meet with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, but never showed up, for DACA, Now you don't hear a thing from Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, What's up with all that ?

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer never wanted to do anything for DACA anyway. It was nothing but a scam just to get votes, but it didn't work.
That now DACA has turned their backs on the democratic party, seeing that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer didn't care one bit for them. Only wanted their votes and now DACA are voting Republican.

President Trump has kept every promise that he made, which none of the other presidents did.

The only thing that people are mad about is that now their having to go to work, that there's no more free ride off the tax payers expense.

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If you did a little fact heckling you would know your Obama whataboutisms are false. Trump didn’t bring down the unemployment Obama was the one bringing it down to the four percent range.

Trump could have had a major win if he hadn’t just went rouge against our allies then whispering sweet nothings to a murderous dictator. At best Trump just shot sub par and at worst Trump is a freaking putz. I am leaning toward the latter. In what universe is Canada a security threat and Kim Jong Un suddenly is not. Please stop drinking so much kool aid.

 

[Stevicus]

It's fascinating how even some folks politically opposed to Trump seem so embarrassed for the man and his lack of competence and achievement in office that they jump at any slim chance to praise him. How can you believe Singapore was a win for Trump, though -- even if you are determined that it be one?

He exchanged joint US/S.Korean military exercises for vague promises of doing something about the North's nukes.
By making such an exchange, he weakened himself and America.
He all but endorsed North Korea's oppression of its people, saying he had this message for them, “I think you have somebody that has a great feeling for them. He wants to do right by them and we got along really well.”

That's a "moment of glory"?

I don't know that I'd call it a "moment of glory." Only time will tell. It's better than saber-rattling, though, which is what "military exercises" are designed to do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's fascinating how even some folks politically opposed to Trump seem so embarrassed for the man and his lack of competence and achievement in office that they jump at any slim chance to praise him. How can you believe Singapore was a win for Trump, though -- even if you are determined that it be one?

He exchanged joint US/S.Korean military exercises for vague promises of doing something about the North's nukes.
By making such an exchange, he weakened himself and America.
He all but endorsed North Korea's oppression of its people, saying he had this message for them, “I think you have somebody that has a great feeling for them. He wants to do right by them and we got along really well.”

That's a "moment of glory"?

It is if one does not really care about the North Korean people. For some reason I don't think the populace of North Korea links rather high on tRump's todo list.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you did a little fact heckling you would know your Obama whataboutisms are false. Trump didn’t bring down the unemployment Obama was the one bringing it down to the four percent range.

Trump could have had a major win if he hadn’t just went rouge against our allies then whispering sweet nothings to a murderous dictator. At best Trump just shot sub par and at worst Trump is a freaking putz. I am leaning toward the latter. In what universe is Canada a security threat and Kim Jong Un suddenly is not. Please stop drinking so much kool aid.

"Rouge"?

 

[Sunstone]

I don't know that I'd call it a "moment of glory." Only time will tell. It's better than saber-rattling, though, which is what "military exercises" are designed to do.

Military exercises are even more often used to increase preparedness, although they can be used for saber-rattling. Do you think Trump got the North to give up on its own preparedness exercises?

 

[idav]

"Rouge"?

You got me! Good argument.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I understand your point, although I see more as a minor quibble over semantics than anything else.

Well I see it as yet one more example in a cavalcade of lies to defame politicians, spread either knowingly or by dupes sucked in by confirmation bias. If it were a single, one off example, that would be one thing, but it happens again, and again and again and again, and it will keep happening until people with both the backbone and the critical thinking skills stand up and say "enough".

Politics is not a spectator sport where one supports their team, right or wrong, come what may. Politics is about real issues, that affect real people, and we need to start discussing issues in a factual manner, rather than letting poorly informed fans rant, evidence free, at each other until one makes a sick burn, which seems to be the dominant paradigm right now.

 

[exchemist]

At lease people knows one thing, That President Trump did something that none of other Presidents did, got to meet and shake hands with North Korea, Kim Jon un.
Without having to do anything.

Unlike Obama giving Iran $400, million dollars and then trying to hide it out from the American people and Congress. And this was all done in the middle of the night.

So Obama not taking the Iran deal before Congress, like he should haved done, it's not binding, Now if Iran wants another deal, it will go before Congress so it will be a binding deal. By President Trump and Congress.
It was just another sneaky deal done by Obama and John Kerry.and there's more to come, Stay Tune People

President Trump brought the unemployment way down, for African Americans and the Latinos. More than any other president ever did.
President Trump wanted to meet with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, but never showed up, for DACA, Now you don't hear a thing from Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, What's up with all that ?

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer never wanted to do anything for DACA anyway. It was nothing but a scam just to get votes, but it didn't work.
That now DACA has turned their backs on the democratic party, seeing that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer didn't care one bit for them. Only wanted their votes and now DACA are voting Republican.

President Trump has kept every promise that he made, which none of the other presidents did.

The only thing that people are mad about is that now their having to go to work, that there's no more free ride off the tax payers expense.

In HUGE Win for Trump, Xi Jinping of China Pulls Missiles from South China Sea Following Successful North Korea Summit

I'd be curious to know what concession you think Trump got from North Korea, beyond the general statement of intent Kim gave in his meeting with S Korea in April.

So far as I can understand it, all Trump got was a promise to repatriate the remains of some dead US soldiers. Was there anything else? Or was it just grandstanding, to bolster support at home from people too ignorant to know or care about the geopolitics of N E Asia?

China will think it's great, of course. That's because:
a) Trump's endorsement of Kim's goodwill gives them an excuse to drop the sanctions that are squeezing N Korea, and
b )Trump's offer to reduce US military activity in the region is something that allows them to expand their sphere of influence without challenge. Very important if, for example, they want to pressurise Taiwan to return to Chinese control - as they do, in fact.

I thought Trump was trying to put pressure on China, but perhaps I've got that all wrong and it is now Canada that is the strategic threat. Do you think?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

At lease people knows one thing, That President Trump did something that none of other Presidents did, got to meet and shake hands with North Korea, Kim Jon un.

Without having to do anything.

You mean without having to do anything other than give North Korea, China, and Russia a victory while getting nothing in return.

(The Basket of Deplorables are unsurpassed when it comes to emulating pathetic dupes.)

 

[Quetzal]

Relevant for current Trump supporters:

 

[Rational Agnostic]

At lease people knows one thing, That President Trump did something that none of other Presidents did, got to meet and shake hands with North Korea, Kim Jon un.
Without having to do anything.

Unlike Obama giving Iran $400, million dollars and then trying to hide it out from the American people and Congress. And this was all done in the middle of the night.

So Obama not taking the Iran deal before Congress, like he should haved done, it's not binding, Now if Iran wants another deal, it will go before Congress so it will be a binding deal. By President Trump and Congress.
It was just another sneaky deal done by Obama and John Kerry.and there's more to come, Stay Tune People

President Trump brought the unemployment way down, for African Americans and the Latinos. More than any other president ever did.
President Trump wanted to meet with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, but never showed up, for DACA, Now you don't hear a thing from Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, What's up with all that ?

Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer never wanted to do anything for DACA anyway. It was nothing but a scam just to get votes, but it didn't work.
That now DACA has turned their backs on the democratic party, seeing that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer didn't care one bit for them. Only wanted their votes and now DACA are voting Republican.

President Trump has kept every promise that he made, which none of the other presidents did.

The only thing that people are mad about is that now their having to go to work, that there's no more free ride off the tax payers expense.

In HUGE Win for Trump, Xi Jinping of China Pulls Missiles from South China Sea Following Successful North Korea Summit @JacobAWohl (link: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/in-huge-win-for-trump-xi-jinping-pulls-missiles-from-south-china-sea-following-successful-north-korea-summit/) thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/in-hug… via @gatewaypundit



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Gotta give credit where credit is due...this is a huge deal. Still skeptical though.

 

[1137]

Um, let's not forget ISIL is dead and buried.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Um, let's not forget ISIL is dead and buried.

No it's not, and what success there has been against IS has had very little to do with Trump.

But please don't let my inconvenient fact telling get in the way of Trump's hero myth making.

 

[ecco]

Yes, I did, but I knew that even before the Snopes article.

Is there anything else you wanted to say?

From the article

The tribunal process dragged on for years and years without a ruling on the $400 million being issued, and finally, when arbitration process was apparently about to wind up (quite possibly not in American’s favor), the U.S. agreed to pay Iran back the $400 million principal along with $1.3 billion in interest. If the issue had gone to the tribunal for a decision, as was expected, the U.S. could have been on the hook for the full $10 billion in compensation Iran was seeking. ​

Whether they deserved to get that money back after committing such a horrific crime against America is a larger issue, and it could be seen as a sign of weakness to make such a concession towards a terroristic regime.

How is making a $1.7 Billion payment when faced with the probability of having to make a $10 Billion payment a sign of weakness or a concession?

 

[exchemist]

Gotta give credit where credit is due...this is a huge deal. Still skeptical though.

Is it a huge deal, though? I can't see what Kim has given that he has not already signed up to. Unless you mean that there has now been a big public display, which can serve to start the process of making a deal, if Kim is prepared to make one.

 

[ecco]

6:15 a.m.​

President Donald Trump says on Twitter, “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea,” as he returns to the United States after his historic summit with North Korea leader Kim Jong Un.​

Whew! What a relief.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Gotta give credit where credit is due...this is a huge deal.

What, precisely, were the terms of the deal?

Still skeptical though.

You seem to equate skepticism with mindless applause.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

6:15 a.m.​

President Donald Trump says on Twitter, “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea,” as he returns to the United States after his historic summit with North Korea leader Kim Jong Un.​

Whew! What a relief.

This is a joke, right?