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President Trump moment of glory.

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Is it a huge deal, though? I can't see what Kim has given that he has not already signed up to. Unless you mean that there has now been a big public display, which can serve to start the process of making a deal, if Kim is prepared to make one.

North Korea was our biggest threat, and now there's a better chance for peace on the Korean peninsula than there has been in 70 years. Our president is smiling, talking, and shaking hands with someone who just months ago threatened our country with war. Yeah, I'd say it's a big deal.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
It's fascinating how even some folks politically opposed to Trump seem so embarrassed for the man and his lack of competence and achievement in office that they jump at any slim chance to praise him. How can you believe Singapore was a win for Trump, though -- even if you are determined that it be one?

He exchanged joint US/S.Korean military exercises for vague, groundless promises of doing something about the North's nukes.
By making such an exchange, he weakened himself and America.
He all but endorsed North Korea's oppression of its people, saying he had this message for them, “I think you have somebody that has a great feeling for them. He wants to do right by them and we got along really well.”

That's a "moment of glory"?

So when Trump threatened nuclear war with North Korea if they attacked us, he was being too tough, and now that he's being diplomatic, he's being "weak?" I've never been a Trump supporter, but I'm tired of the left always discrediting anything he does. Sure, Trump has said and done some negative, even very bad, things. But, Frankly, I think Trump took the right approach with regard to NK by speaking softly and carrying a big stick (as Teddy Roosevelt put it). The fact is, Trump has a chance to do something that no president since the Korean War was done, and he made a huge step in the right direction at the summit.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
North Korea was our biggest threat, and now there's a better chance for peace on the Korean peninsula than there has been in 70 years. Our president is smiling, talking, and shaking hands with someone who just months ago threatened our country with war. Yeah, I'd say it's a big deal.
It's definitely positive. I'd be more convinced if the DMZ is eliminated and a formal end to the war is signed. That would be a significant indicator of long-term stability.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If you did a little fact heckling you would know your Obama whataboutisms are false. Trump didn’t bring down the unemployment Obama was the one bringing it down to the four percent range.

Trump could have had a major win if he hadn’t just went rouge against our allies then whispering sweet nothings to a murderous dictator. At best Trump just shot sub par and at worst Trump is a freaking putz. I am leaning toward the latter. In what universe is Canada a security threat and Kim Jong Un suddenly is not. Please stop drinking so much kool aid.

What exactly did Obama do to bring down unemployment?

Also

When did Canada become an alleged security threat? That's news to me.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Um, let's not forget ISIL is dead and buried.
Not really.
Although the Russians have made great progress bolstering Assad.

I believe that is because Putin intends to run the ME oil region, instead of the USA. I see that as likely to lead to war, myself, because the USA won't give up that control without a fight. But with our weak, divisive, and incompetent president it's nearly inevitable.
Tom
 

ecco

Veteran Member
6:15 a.m.
President Donald Trump says on Twitter, “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea,” as he returns to the United States after his historic summit with North Korea leader Kim Jong Un..

Whew! What a relief.
This is a joke, right?

The tweet is not a joke - it's real.

Just to be clear, my comment was sarcasm.



Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump


Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

5:56 AM - Jun 13, 2018
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Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump


Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!

6:01 AM - Jun 13, 2018
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
The tweet is not a joke - it's real.

Just to be clear, my comment was sarcasm.



Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump


Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

5:56 AM - Jun 13, 2018
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Donald J. Trump

✔@realDonaldTrump


Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!

6:01 AM - Jun 13, 2018
"People were assuming" lol- the passive
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The fact is, Trump has a chance to do something that no president since the Korean War was done, and he made a huge step in the right direction at the summit.
What has he done that Clinton didn't do back in the 90s?
He got a vague promise to stop Kim's nuclear program. Been there, done that.
Tom
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
North Korea was our biggest threat, and now there's a better chance for peace on the Korean peninsula than there has been in 70 years. Our president is smiling, talking, and shaking hands with someone who just months ago threatened our country with war. Yeah, I'd say it's a big deal.
And none of this sets off any bells in your head? Nothing out of the ordinary? This overly dramatic change of heart is 100% coincidence and aligns perfectly with Trump's agenda? Highly unlikely.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member

Shad

Veteran Member
This is just optics without anything from NK. Optics which benefit NK more than Trump and costs NK less.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
This is just optics without anything from NK. Optics which benefit NK more than Trump and costs NK less.
And when Obama gave up far less when opening up diplomatic relations with Cuba he caught all sorts of flack from the Republicans, including SoS Pompeo. Their hypocrisy is astounding.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
This is from a simple search. By the end of Obama presidency unemployment was 4.7 percent.
What Kind Of 'Jobs President' Has Obama Been — In 8 Charts

The security risk thing is the “reason” Trump put tariffs on Canada and Mexico.
‘Absurd’ for US to consider Canada a security risk over steel, defense minister says


The unemployment was at it's worse with Obama,
As far as Canada and Mexico, it's time they paid their fair share as anyone else.
No more getting a free ride off the United States.
You seem to think it's alright for them to charge the United States, but not for the United States to charge them.
You can't be Serious
 

Shad

Veteran Member
And when Obama gave up far less when opening up diplomatic relations with Cuba he caught all sorts of flack from the Republicans, including SoS Pompeo. Their hypocrisy is astounding.

It has gone both ways.

Keep in mind Republican used the Cold War as a major platform for decades. Cuba was the last holdout of that era. Combined with the party of No there was a lot of opposition.

If I remember correctly Obama had a team in backroom talks to a year. I do not think this is the case with Trump.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
What has he done that Clinton didn't do back in the 90s?
He got a vague promise to stop Kim's nuclear program. Been there, done that.
Tom

He met Kim Jong Un face-to-face. Clinton didn't do that, and yet face-to-face interaction, even with potential enemies, is an important part of diplomacy.
 
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