President Trump moment of glory.

[Shad]

For example, whereas he condemned Obama's connection with Havana, he was secretly trying to secure funding to build a resort in Cuba, which was a violation of the law at that time. [/quote]

I already know Trump will break and/or bend laws for his business. He said as much during the campaign as a slam against politicians like Clinton as puppets. Trumps criticism was correct while being two-faced and self-serving. Remember who he was talking to when he started to slam Obama's policy. Cubans in Florida. Standard politics.

I think most politicians are two-faced so it is the status quo to me.

Schmoozing can work to a point, no doubt, but Trump does much the same with other tyrants, such as Putin, Xi, Duterte (tyrannical leader of the Philippines that has had thousands arrested and killed), etc.

He would blow smoke up anyone's butt if he thought it would get him what he wants. However such acts are part of business and politics. POTUS has created a tradition of sucking up to KSA. KSA is right up on that list with me if below the two mentioned.

What were you expecting? Open insults? Perhaps the dripping condensation of Reagan during the talks with the USSR? At times one must "hold their nose"

In his coauthored autobiography, Trump says his father constantly drilled into him that he is the byproduct of German warriors and kings, therefore he should both respect that heritage and use it for himself. To me, that explains a lot.

Are you assuming German means Nazi?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Democrate W.Clinton didn't have to invade , he just gave them money, in hopefully that in the appeasement would please them.

Democrate Obama didn't have to invade,
Obama just bowed down to them showing that he was to weak to stand up to them.
If that didn't work, Obama would just give them money in appeasement.

Who do you think Obama or Clinton should have invaded that they didn't?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Who do you think Obama or Clinton should have invaded that they didn't?

If bill Clinton and Obama would have showed strength instead of weakness. They would have gotten the same results as President Trump did, without having to give anything.
Therefore all bill Clinton and Obama did is trying to appeasement other countries is what got us into the mess with North Korea.
President Trump showed North Korea thru strength will not back down nor will give anything to try and buy off North Korea.
Now look who wants to talk with President Trump's for peace, North Korea

If you have a bully, try and buy them and see what happens. They will without a doubt come back at you walking on you, wanting more and more and more.

But if you show them thru strength that you are not going to back down nor give them anything, no doubt they will back off.

You know liberal democrat President Theodore Roosevelt had this to say to those who thinks to walk on the United States, Carry a Big Stick, Knock them up side the head, that will show them real quick that the United States is not someone to try and walk on or mess with.

To day democrats and some Republicans will not stand up to other countries.

But other countries are finding out not to mess with President Trump, that the United States is no longer a walk on no more. But Carring a Big Stick.

If another country wants help in what ever it maybe, then they will do their fair share also, that the United States is no longer going to be taken advantage of no more.

Now other countries are getting mad, all because now they have to pay their fair share.
Oh well that's how it goes, no more free ride

 

[Stevicus]

• Republican R. Reagan, with nothing better to do, went to war in Grenada.
• Republican G. Bush Sr. invaded Iraq (perhaps justifiably).
• Republican G. Bush Jr. invaded Afghanistan (justifiably).
• Republican G. Bush Jr. invaded Iraq (totally unjustifiable).
• Republican D. Trump threatened NK:
• "The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea."

• Democrat W. Clinton invaded no Country.
• Democrat B. Obama invaded no Country.

Your comment about Democrats "leading the war cry these days" is truly mystifying to me.

None of this is relevant to what I was saying, unless you're extremely partisan for one party.

 

[Stevicus]

You should be blaming Reagan, not Iran.

I do, but I'm also blaming Iran, just as many are blaming Russia today for something similar but far more innocuous.

The deal was with the Nation of Iran. The revolutionaries overthrew the Shah. The revolutionaries did not eliminate the Nation of Iran and establish a new nation. We change our leadership every 4-8 years, it's still the same Country.

If a Government incurred a debt to the USA under the Obama administration does that mean they got off the hook when Trump got elected?

Are you seriously suggesting that a violent overthrow of a government is truly the same thing as a legal, Constitutional transfer of power?

In any case, did you read and understand the part about the impending International Court Ruling?

It's not really binding, though. If worse comes to worse, the ICJ can bring it to the UN Security Council if a country refuses to abide by its ruling, although we have veto powers on the Security Council.

 

[ecco]

What about the IG finding of former FBI director Comey broke protocol in the investigation of Hillary Clinton E-mails.

But watch CNN, NBC, CBS and other news stations try to cover it all up.

I did watch CNN and CBS. That's where I heard about the IG report. They clearly stated that the IG found Comey broke protocol. They didn't try to cover up any of it.

I guess you watched FOX and they told you CNN, NBC, CBS and other news stations would try to cover it all up and you believed them.

 

[ecco]

Goal post shifting.

Nonsense.

But feel free to count Americans that died in Iraq and Afghanistan under Obama if it makes you feel better.

Obama did not start the wars, he inherited them. You know that so your attempt at deflecting blame is really pathetic.

 

[ecco]

Democrate W.Clinton didn't have to invade , he just gave them money, in hopefully that in the appeasement would please them.

Gave money to whom for what?

Democrate Obama didn't have to invade,
Obama just bowed down to them showing that he was to weak to stand up to them.
If that didn't work, Obama would just give them money in appeasement.

Gave money to whom for what?

 

[ecco]

None of this is relevant to what I was saying, unless you're extremely partisan for one party.

It was in response to your comment about Democrats...

They also were more the party of peace (notwithstanding the divisions between hawks and doves in the 60s and 70s) - peace with Vietnam, peace with Russia, peace in Korea, and elsewhere around the world. Why they're the ones leading the war cry these days is truly mystifying to me.

...specifically the part I bolded. My list showed that it has been and is Republicans, not Democrats, starting wars.

 

[ecco]

I do, but I'm also blaming Iran, just as many are blaming Russia today for something similar but far more innocuous.

What?

Are you seriously suggesting that a violent overthrow of a government is truly the same thing as a legal, Constitutional transfer of power?

I wasn't suggesting anything. I'm stating the fact that the Country of Iran was the Country of Iran before the Shah was installed as its ruler, during his reign, during the overthrow, after the overthrow and now.
Panama was/is Panama before and after Noriega.
Cuba was/is Cuba before and after Castro.
The list is very long, I hope you get the point.

ecco previously...

In any case, did you read and understand the part about the impending International Court Ruling?​

It's not really binding, though. If worse comes to worse, the ICJ can bring it to the UN Security Council if a country refuses to abide by its ruling, although we have veto powers on the Security Council.

So you believe that we should ignore the rulings of the ICJ if we don't like the rulings. That's how you believe a leader of Nations should act. That's really pathetic.

 

[Stevicus]

That's really pathetic.

I think our discussion has hit a wall. Let me know if/when you are ever capable of a reasonable discussion. I'm done with you.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I think our discussion has hit a wall. Let me know if/when you are ever capable of a reasonable discussion. I'm done with you.

I think you lost.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Nonsense.Obama did not start the wars, he inherited them. You know that so your attempt at deflecting blame is really pathetic.

Oh, so blame only falls on the person who STARTS wars?

No blame deflection here, plenty to go around.

Sure, Bush dragged the West into two unnecessary and poorly planned wars, but Obama kept us in them, and ordered military strikes into a bunch of other sovereign nations besides.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Gave money to whom for what?

Gave money to whom for what?

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[Faithofchristian]

It was in response to your comment about Democrats...

...specifically the part I bolded. My list showed that it has been and is Republicans, not Democrats, starting wars.

There has been liberal democrats President that got the United States into more wars than Republicans.

liberal democrat President
Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S.Truman, who took the United States
into world war 2.

And it was after the assassination of democrat President JFK 1963, that liberal democrat Lyndon B. Johnson who got the United States in the Vietnam War 1964.

So do not put it off like liberal democrats do not get the United States into wars.

There has been liberal democrat President's that has gotten the United States into more wars than Republicans.

Who was President at the time of
world war 2.
democrate President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S.Truman.

Who was President at the time of the
Vietnam War.
democrate Lyndon B.Johnson 1964.

And it was Republican President Richard Nixon who ended the Vietnam War in 1975.

 

[Stevicus]

I think you lost.

Only in the constructs of your imagination.

 

[metis]

I think most politicians are two-faced so it is the status quo to me.

However such acts are part of business and politics.

What were you expecting? Open insults? Perhaps the dripping condensation of Reagan during the talks with the USSR? At times one must "hold their nose"

With the above, I simply do not buy into false equivalencies like those. It's like saying the Mother Theresa and Adolf Hitler were the same since they both were sinners.

Also, I'm of the camp that two or more wrongs do not make a right. IMO, we need to hold politician's feet to the fire regardless as to which party they may belong to.

Are you assuming German means Nazi?

No, that's not what was said in the book.

 

[Shad]

With the above, I simply do not buy into false equivalencies like those.

You are manufacturing those equivalencies. I am stating how I think politics and business functions in relation to each other. It is what I expect in general.

Also, I'm of the camp that two or more wrongs do not make a right. IMO, we need to hold politician's feet to the fire regardless as to which party they may belong to.

This goes far beyond Trump to the core of each party.

No, that's not what was said in the book.

So why does that view of heritage matter? I have not read the book so it seems like something is being left out.

 

[ecco]

It's not really binding, though. If worse comes to worse, the ICJ can bring it to the UN Security Council if a country refuses to abide by its ruling, although we have veto powers on the Security Council.

So you believe that we should ignore the rulings of the ICJ if we don't like the rulings. That's how you believe a leader of Nations should act. That's really pathetic.

I think our discussion has hit a wall. Let me know if/when you are ever capable of a reasonable discussion. I'm done with you.

Typical response when people get called out and can't respond. Bye.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

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Can anyone really be that stupid?