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Prime Minister of Canada; Justin Trudeau should resign

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The Freedom Convoy and Federal Politics - February 8, 2022

Not really no. Only 17% of the population strongly support the "Freedom Convoy" and even amongst those, few demand the resignation of the government even amongst them. So no, both fringe and even if they were not fringe, they would still be remarkable idiots for demanding the resignation of the entire government in favor of a bunch of non-elected people.

I feel sad for the state of education in my country. (and I was a teacher) The vast majority of these protesters don't comprehend how government works. Not only do they want the prime minister to resign, but the entire government, including the very people they themselves might have voted for.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
I think a lot of discontent is having to deal with the constant nonsense of the idiot fringe. They seldom have a coherent policy position, just mindless rebellion against social order.

It certainly doesn't help things move forward in a coherent manner.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What's wrong with learning from the countries that beat us out in happiness, health and safety? We don't have to reinvent the wheel.
I'm not so sure they are actually that much happier, healthier, and safer.

Seems to me that there are prices or repercussions to pay for that apparent 'greener pasture'.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
I'm not so sure they are actually that much happier, healthier, and safer.

Seems to me that there are prices or repercussions to pay for that apparent 'greener pasture'.

The US, sadly, falls behind many of the other first world nations in polls. A superpower such as the US should not have as much poverty, homelessness, drug abuse and people without health insurance as it does.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
America has gotten so far behind it has to catch up to the rest of the first world nations before it can lead. "Trying to carve its own trail" has just left it with some rather embarrassing numbers, like a high incarceration rate, high infant mortality rate, low TIMS scores and poor education outcomes, outrageously and prohibitively expensive healthcare, high teen pregnancy rate, work more but produce less, and a crippling wealth distribution inequality.
Come on, the USA leads the first world nations in book banning.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I feel sad for the state of education in my country. (and I was a teacher) The vast majority of these protesters don't comprehend how government works. Not only do they want the prime minister to resign, but the entire government, including the very people they themselves might have voted for.
The first time I heard about Canadian Unity's "Memorandum of Understanding" I scratched my head wondering why they would demand all sorts of stuff from the federal government that isn't even under federal jurisdiction.

Today, I've been watching social media for news about the Ambassador Bridge blockade and it's been absolutely wild how many protest-supporting commenters don't have the first clue about what makes a protest illegal or not, or what the Charter actually says.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
In my eyes, that's a real compliment especially compared to the criminal traitor we had before.

I second that. I was deeply relieved when Biden won the presidential election, and I say that as a former lifelong conservative and a registered Republican of 26 years. It was like breathing in fresh air after breathing nothing but toxic fumes for the last five years.

Joe Biden is the first Democratic candidate I've ever voted for in an election, but he certainly won't be the last as long as Trump and his political allies control the Republican Party. The Democrats will continue to have my vote as long as Trumpism is alive and well.
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The first time I heard about Canadian Unity's "Memorandum of Understanding" I scratched my head wondering why they would demand all sorts of stuff from the federal government that isn't even under federal jurisdiction.

Today, I've been watching social media for news about the Ambassador Bridge blockade and it's been absolutely wild how many protest-supporting commenters don't have the first clue about what makes a protest illegal or not, or what the Charter actually says.

Yup. The three levels of government aren't understood by many. It's sad. But you know, Justin did cause the pandemic, and is well funded by China.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
He should be removed from office... He is a weasel; hiding in his basement when confronted by protesters! The Joe Biden of the north!
Is that your opinion, or do you have backers?

It is, when you think about it, something of a contradiction to suppose that one believes in democracy, but can also decide when a democratially elected leader/government should be ousted.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The US, sadly, falls behind many of the other first world nations in polls. A superpower such as the US should not have as much poverty, homelessness, drug abuse and people without health insurance as it does.
I don't think feeding an insurance company money endless rivers of money is the answer to the real cause of human degradation.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Indeed, but that vote of non confidence would have to come from his own party and it would be the new leader of the LPC, probably Chrystia Freeland, that would become prime minister. It's a practical system to remove a problematic individual from the government, but it's incapable of changing a government which is what is desired by a fringe group of idiots.

PS: English Canada's population owes a lot of its existence to the American Revolution; yes, Upper Canada's population and much of the population in Nova Scotia are descendants of American Loyalists who fled the US to avoid lynching. So yes, Canada was founded by a bunch of pro King George brits and the subjugated French Canadians population.
You don't seem to understand the Canadian system very well. A vote of non-confidence doesn't come from one party or another, it comes from a majority of members in the House of Coomons. And if that happens, the party (and therefore the government) falls, not just the PM, so no, Chrystia Freeland would not beome PM.

Two options are available to the Governor General in such a situation: ask another party leader if they think they can gain the confidence of the majority of Parliament, or dissolve the Parliament and call another election.

And contrary to your statement in the first paragraph, in fact, Canada can (and has done) replace a government in very short order.

And I have to say it, you have a really uninformed view of how Canada's population came to be what it is. My own ancestors are not "descendants of American Loyalists," but immigrants from England, Scotland and Wales directly -- with bothering to pass through Ellis Island.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
And I have to say it, you have a really uninformed view of how Canada's population came to be what it is. My own ancestors are not "descendants of American Loyalists," but immigrants from England, Scotland and Wales directly -- with bothering to pass through Ellis Island.

I actually believe you are severely misinformed on the immigration pattern to Canada. Immigration from English descendants from the 13th colonies or the British lies to the newly acquired British Province of Quebec was negligible in the first decades of existence of the territory. They were barely a few thousands of mostly Scottish merchant installing themselves in Montreal. The territory remained 99% francophone until the end of the American Revolution when over 100 000 Loyalist fled North and became the first large scale migration of English speaking people North of the Great Lakes. This influx of migrants became a huge puzzle to solve and led to the creation of the Upper and Lower Canada's territory in 1791 as well as the split between Nova Scotia and New Brunswick (though these colonies would not join Canada until the Confederation of 1867). You would have to wait another 30 years, after the war of 1812 to see another major migration of English speakers toward Canada during the Irish Famine and the Highland Clearance. The arrival of the Loyalists was foundational in the identity of Canada as a bilingual State and as a largely "loyal" or "pragmatic" (as in opposition to idealist) politics when it comes to Britain/UK.
 
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Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
I find this notion of getting rid of politicians you don't like who do things you don't like not only disgusting and distasteful but rather damning for democracy as such a mentality does not bode well for it.
This is why we have this thing called "voting." That is how our societies do things. Not throwing adult tantrums and demanding the politicians have to go.
He is a bad politician... He won't be going to India any time soon! He was caught lining the pockets of his friends.. etc
 
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