Shad
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Do you have any children?
Yes I do.
Do not conflate bring up a point with endorsing that point.
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Do you have any children?
If a person has a genetic abnormality that can be passed on to future generations they should adopt children rather than pass on their genes.Yes I do.
Do not conflate bring up a point with endorsing that point.
They don't always have a choice to avoid a biological function.The time to make that decision is BEFORE they engage in the activity that creates the baby.
So not an actual law then. Understood.In psychology. Hate leads to disaster.
On behalf of people with a genetic abnormality every where I cordially invite you to keep your genocidal opinions to yourself.If a person has a genetic abnormality that can be passed on to future generations they should adopt children rather than pass on their genes.
Yes, but preachy judgemental hindsight is always 20/20.They don't always have a choice to avoid a biological function.
Hmmm.On behalf of people with a genetic abnormality every where I cordially invite you to keep your genocidal opinions to yourself.
the back-yard abortion makes its woman-killing return
Irresponsibility defines it. They don't go have sex without protection for a god, they don't have multiple partners for a god, they dontbget drunk and bang a few in a night for a god. They do it because they know they can always get an abortion.
It's just irresponsible to run around, get knocked up, and go for an abortion and repeat. It's more logical to use protection and it also helps avoid STD's.
There is really no getting around this, and I wish you guys would at least be honest about this, at the very least. Abortion means ending the life of a human individual who, given a chance to grow, be born and live, will become a human adult. It can't become anything else.
If you can show me where there is any point at which that 'blob of cells' can become anything OTHER than a human adult if it isn't killed first, I might listen.
You are killing a human being. Human....and 'being' because it is living. You are killing it BECAUSE it is a living human who will become a baby/toddler/adult, in order to keep it from doing so.
my opinion is about those who have entered into consensual sex as adults, in full understanding that sex produces babies
If those are your perceptions you wish to do something about it.
Feminism is the insistence of females to be independent of men, not in unification but in division of the sexes.
If a person has a genetic abnormality that can be passed on to future generations they should adopt children rather than pass on their genes.
In this day and age the argument for or against abortion should not be so.PRO:
I am pro-choice, not because I encourage women to have abortions, but because I reserve the right to not have abortions.
Legislation takes the right away.
You probably shouldn't get your pregnancy or abortion information from Trump. He tends to not know what he's talking about. Also, he lies.And if a child is born alive in an abortion, if the doctor strangles it or leaves it on a shelf to die? Sounds like murder
And why would planned parenthood fight so hard to not legally address those abuses? answer - because monetary big abortion $$$$ interesting dominate the thinking.
That God in some of the hoffiic abortion clinics where women die in terrible conditions, there were criminal drug busts that put a holt. Sadly even in sex trafficking and abuse of minor cases many high profile abortion clinics break the law by not reporting.
Else they would have mammograms and offer more adoption counseling like non profits
Fossil fuels are finite resources and so one needs to use solar energy as far as practicable, or wind energy as an alternative. Economics of the family will also dictate how large the family is and so we need to educate people in basic home economics rather than be concerned about the burgeoning world population as a threat to the environment for generating natural resources or for survival of human species.Yes, I consider the burgeoning world population and the threat of global warming imminent problems, and I have done my part in both arenas. I am the father of two children and have had surgery to prevent further conception, and my home is solar powered.
My argument is that one needs to use contraception and surgery like you have done to prevent pregnancy and abortion is inhuman in terms of civilised conduct that we need to pay attention to.Abortion rights help restore parity between the genders
Society's role is to educate people but leave them the freedom to carry out their duties as they see fit. I would not wish to have legislation to dictate eugenics in any way but the norms of society need to be moulded through culture development.sn't that an example of eugenics that is frequently rolled out to impugn Darwin or Sanger? I agree with your advice, but only for myself - not others. Let them do as they see fit.
Something else I can't help but wonder about.You probably shouldn't get your pregnancy or abortion information from Trump. He tends to not know what he's talking about. Also, he lies.
The human population of Earth is 7.7 billion people. I think we'll be okay.My point was humanity must have a strategy for evolution that ensures that the human species survives this feminist crusade in favour of abortion on demand. This would require legislation to identify the deserving cases from the undeserving ones.
What is the optimal human carrying capacity of Earth: if it declines from this figure we must be doing something wrong that leglislation must correct. In this regard, as you saw Germany absorbed a million refugees arriving on its borders, so do we rely on the Third World to generate the humans that migrate to other countries where there is a shortfall of humans and we sit in comfort in the West carefree in terms of the utilisation of raw materials of the Earth? That is certainly what seems to have happened.The human population of Earth is 7.7 billion people. I think we'll be okay.
we need to educate people in basic economics rather than be concerned about the burgeoning world population as a threat to the environment
My argument is that one needs to use contraception and surgery like you have done to prevent pregnancy and abortion is inhuman in terms of civilised conduct that we need to pay attention to.
I would not wish to have legislation to dictate eugenics in any way
You do realize what you are saying: that women can be "taught" the "correct way to feel" about being raped...your "correct way to feel?" I am of the opinion that people have their own feelings, for their own reasons.It all depends on the ethical values that society engenders on men and women. If women are taught that rape associated pregnancy makes the child somewhat less of human being than a normally conceived baby then the woman will act accordingly. If the woman is taught that it does not matter and you should treat your baby as your own then the child will get all the love and attention it deserves as a human being.
They already do.In this day and age the argument for or against abortion should not be so.
Morning after pills and the contraception methods available mean unwanted pregnancies should not exist other than rape and medical grounds.
If people want abortions then make them pay for them, themselves. Other wise don't get pregnant when you don't have to. As I said rape and medical grounds different. Problem solved.
How Many People Can Earth Support?What is the optimal human carrying capacity of Earth: if it declines from this figure we must be doing something wrong that leglislation must correct. In this regard, as you saw Germany absorbed a million refugees arriving on its borders, so do we rely on the Third World to generate the humans that migrate to other countries where there is a shortfall of humans and we sit in comfort in the West carefree in terms of the utilisation of raw materials of the Earth? That is certainly what seems to have happened.
When humans kill each other for resources of the Earth, that would be the time to be concerned about the size of the planet's population. That point has not arrived so we can easily accommodate some more humans. When soil fertility declines and food becomes scarce than the home economics will kick in as long as we have good nations with adequate law enforcement to keep the peace.We're over 7.5 billion now. How many more doublings do you think the human race can comfortably accommodate?
A woman is a member of society and has to live according to the norms of the society. If abortion is made unlawful in certain countries she has to be careful not to fall into a position where the question arises as to whether to abort. She is not a free human being but a member of society.except that I would add that if a woman becomes pregnant and doesn't want a child, she chooses between giving it up for adoption or abortion.
You raise an important question: abortion should be defined as the termination of life that has the earliest phases of a central nervous system or mind because the mind thinks and coordinates the rest of the body. I do not know at what term in the pregnancy the mind forms in a human foetus.What's the difference between causing the death of a zygote, morula, blastosphere, embryo, or early fetus?
The State has a role: it cannot be left to individuals to go their separate ways. We need a well-regulated society.What I was referring to was do-it-yourself eugenics by choice - choosing not to reproduce because of a genetic problem.
We're talking about choice and anti-choice ("pro-life") in reproductive rights. Female breeding stock are not given choice, and Anti-choice wants to include women in that. If Anti-choice have their way, that's the result they intend. They won't get that result, not to the extent they desire. The burden will fall most heavily on those who can least afford it, and so will the criminality that doesn't presently exist, and so will the deprivation of modern medical facilities and skills as the back-yard abortion makes its woman-killing return.
In this case, Roe v Wade is the product of US democratic institutions, and you're the ones not accepting it.
Besides, if you're right, you could carry your desires to their logical conclusion and have a police state and devise ways to bring back slavery too ─ first you convict them of opposing you, then you send them off to build the wall or rent them out to the market ─ and democratically do away with democracy in the name of populism. Get rid of those damned atheists, those invading hispanics, that hateful Asian cuisine! Let this be your slogan: Everything not forbidden is compulsory! We said so! Populism has always loved versions of that.