Pro Life or Pro Choice?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I see that the majority are either pro life or pro choice. Can't you guys be in the middle? Both the woman and the baby are living beings. They both have rights. I mean real natural rights not the changing rights humans keep changing as they wish. I see that first comes the well being on the woman then the baby. My opinion.

Restricting abortion denies right to pregnant women that we grant to corpses. Would it be an acceptable compromise to you if the law treated your mother as worth only slightly less than a corpse instead of much less than one?

 

[McBell]

I see that the majority are either pro life or pro choice. Can't you guys be in the middle? Both the woman and the baby are living beings. They both have rights. I mean real natural rights not the changing rights humans keep changing as they wish. I see that first comes the well being on the woman then the baby. My opinion.

Where do you draw the line?

 

[Leftimies]

The bold is my position. But since I am a male I would never have a say so that only leaves pro choice. No one blames your position so long as its not expected to reign over someone else's position. Because our position (I think we may be similar on a personal level) is a respectable position.

Yeah...and even though my position may seem judgmental, and even hostile, it really isn't. I just feel strongly about it. I will allow it for other people (not that it would be in my power to deny it in the first place).

And its never easy for the mother to go with abortion, even if the child is unwanted. I suppose there is always this sense of guilt about it afterwards. Its really easy for me to go around on internet forums handing out self-proclaimed wisdom, but real life is quite different.

But I can rule my own life. I am glad me and my wife agree completely about it. She is even more scary and pro-life than I am

 

[Smart_Guy]

Restricting abortion denies right to pregnant women that we grant to corpses. Would it be an acceptable compromise to you if the law treated your mother as worth only slightly less than a corpse instead of much less than one?

I didn't say anything about restricting abortion. I'm talking about being considerate is all. What I said has nothing to do with the law at all.

And no, it would not be acceptable. Although I don't see how that question is related to what I said.

What do you think I meant by my post?

Just to be clear, I voted "other" and I explained that I meant "both" bro choice and life.

Where do you draw the line?

I don't really know man. I'm no position to draw lines. All I want is to have rational decisions and not just completely take only one side of the coin.

I'm only saying what I think. I could be wrong, why not.

 

[Maldini]

I see that the majority are either pro life or pro choice. Can't you guys be in the middle? Both the woman and the baby are living beings. They both have rights. I mean real natural rights not the changing rights humans keep changing as they wish. I see that first comes the well being on the woman then the baby. My opinion.

Pro choice is the middle ground. If you see abortion fitting, you go with it. If you think baby should be born, then it will be. It's pro choice not pro abortion.

 

[metis]

I'm pro-choice because of where I live, namely a legally-secular society that should be resistant to passing laws based pretty much exclusively on religious grounds. However, on a personal basis I am pro-life.

BTW, this area in my many years of living has been theologically and morally the most difficult single issue for me. I don't see it in terms of black and white, and part of this is that I'm simply not willing to tell a woman who's pregnant what to do.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Pro choice is the middle ground. If you see abortion fitting, you go with it. If you think baby should be born, then it will be. It's pro choice not pro abortion.

Is the choice of simply not wanting the baby for let's say a "I just don't feel like it" decision, considered pro choice? Or even because of a decision for something seen desired? Like let's say a woman thinks she's not ready to be a mother, she sees this thought as a good reason to end the life of the baby?

I don't refer having a law at all. I'm talking about the decision made by us as people.

I'm not against pro choice per se. I'd argue about some pro life cases too. I see the health of the women more important. Health of the one facing the pain is a critical matter to consider.

 

[Maldini]

Well at least in first 2-3 month of pregnancy there is no baby just bunch of cells.

A mother feeling like not having a baby is a great reason for not having the baby.

 

[dust1n]

I've noticed the majority of difficulties women getting abortions face is almost entirely associated with the expectations of family member, communities, friends... I've also noticed that the those people very rarely have the woman's or child's interest in mind at all.

 

[Smart_Guy]

A mother feeling like not having a baby is a great reason for not having the baby.

I agree.

What I said was ending the life of a baby for simply wanting that on a whim, not the reason of the general idea of not wanting a baby.

 

[bluegoo300]

this may seem weird coming for a democrat but i believe in pro-life except in the cases of rape incest or were the mother may die. Because any way you look at its still murder.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I've noticed the majority of difficulties women getting abortions face is almost entirely associated with the expectations of family member, communities, friends... I've also noticed that the those people very rarely have the woman's or child's interest in mind at all.

This is a serious problem

Having the culture and community strictly decide our fate.

 

[Willamena]

I agree.

What I said was ending the life of a baby for simply wanting that on a whim, not the reason of the general idea of not wanting a baby.

Having surgery done on you is rarely "on a whim," though. It's more often a big deal.

 

[Maldini]

this may seem weird coming for a democrat but i believe in pro-life except in the cases of rape incest or were the mother may die. Because any way you look at its still murder.

It is not a human being, thus it's not murder. It's bunch of cells which will turn into a human being, which is the same as any sperm I wasted today while masturbating.

 

[bluegoo300]

It is not a human being, thus it's not murder. It's bunch of cells which will turn into a human being, which is the same as any sperm I wasted today while masturbating.

at what point is it murder at the kid is born or after certain body parts form i agree that up until a certain point it’s not murder that’s why i believe you should be allowed to have birth control and the morning after pill. But there is a certain point were its murder as well.

 

[Maldini]

I agree with you but from the pics I've seen the first 4 month you really can't call that a human being.

If you wanna be strict before the 9th week it's not even a fetus.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Is the choice of simply not wanting the baby for let's say a "I just don't feel like it" decision, considered pro choice? Or even because of a decision for something seen desired? Like let's say a woman thinks she's not ready to be a mother, she sees this thought as a good reason to end the life of the baby?

I don't refer having a law at all. I'm talking about the decision made by us as people.

I'm not against pro choice per se. I'd argue about some pro life cases too. I see the health of the women more important. Health of the one facing the pain is a critical matter to consider.

I think, again, perspectives such as this reduce pregnancy down to a matter of convenience, like a stomach ache or a visit to a dentist. Being a major medical condition for a woman, pregnancy is a serious matter first and foremost to the woman.

Just - for one single example - "morning sickness".

Before I was pregnant the first time, I used to wonder what all the drama was about. I've vomited before. It's no big deal, right?

Then I got pregnant. I was camped out by a toilet for 4 months straight.

This isn't like a stomach virus. One that at most can last a week. This is 4 months of morning, noon, night, and during sleep when then next thing you know you're puking and dry-heaving at the smell of dairy, or cigar smoke, or the neighbor's dog, or your co-workers tuna fish sandwich...anything really.

4 months straight. FOUR. MONTHS. STRAIGHT. ALL THE TIME.

And that's just one of the more minor complications. Go to any website and discover all the "inconveniences" pregnancies offer to women. Not to mention the risks of diabetes, of elevated blood pressure and hypertension, of too much weight gain, or not enough weight gain, of blood disorders (that was my mother who endured 3 extremely difficult pregnancies that ripped her body apart).

I almost hemorrhaged when I gave birth the first time. There was a team of 20 or so specialists on hand because my birth was an extremely difficult one. I was under close surveillance at the time.

Inconvenience. Hah.

Pregnancy alters a woman's bone structure, blood sugar levels, blood pressure, and her hormones forever and ever. That is never anything to gloss over and deem unimportant or as an inconvenience. These are major medical concerns for a woman. It's her health at stake. And she should be able to decide what happens to her body....and the only people involved in that decision is her and doctor...not the public and a voting booth.

 

[Thruve]

I think, again, perspectives such as this reduce pregnancy down to a matter of convenience, like a stomach ache or a visit to a dentist. Being a major medical condition for a woman, pregnancy is a serious matter first and foremost to the woman.

Just - for one single example - "morning sickness".

Before I was pregnant the first time, I used to wonder what all the drama was about. I've vomited before. It's no big deal, right?

Then I got pregnant. I was camped out by a toilet for 4 months straight.

This isn't like a stomach virus. One that at most can last a week. This is 4 months of morning, noon, night, and during sleep when then next thing you know you're puking and dry-heaving at the smell of dairy, or cigar smoke, or the neighbor's dog, or your co-workers tuna fish sandwich...

Pregnancy alters a woman's bone structure, blood sugar levels, blood pressure, and her hormones forever and ever. That is never anything to gloss over and deem unimportant or as an inconvenience. These are major medical concerns for a woman. It's her health at stake. And she should be able to decide what happens to her body....and the only people involved in that decision is her and doctor...not the public and a voting booth.

Holy balls are you serious?

Hush up and go move to Ethiopia.

Oh the irony that this is coming from a mother.

 

[Wirey]

It is not a human being, thus it's not murder. It's bunch of cells which will turn into a human being, which is the same as any sperm I wasted today while masturbating.

....and that was when Wirey wiped the mayo off his sandwich. Thanks.

 

[Wirey]

at what point is it murder at the kid is born or after certain body parts form i agree that up until a certain point it’s not murder that’s why i believe you should be allowed to have birth control and the morning after pill. But there is a certain point were its murder as well.

Define that point.