Producing life from non living matter

[Kirran]

No they won't create life because God had confirmed that we won't know the secrets of life but a little,
miracles for the prophets such as Jesus resurrecting the dead was to support Jesus in spreading the message
and hence it's clear that blind faith can't work alone otherwise why the prophets were supported with the miracles and
the most important one in our recent days as I see it and I think you're seeing it are the prophecies which are
happening and fulfilled as it has been foretold.

Don't you see any value in experiencing God yourself, directly, rather than relying on all this stuff?

 

[FearGod]

Don't you see any value in experiencing God yourself, directly, rather than relying on all this stuff?

What do you mean by experiencing God and which God?

 

[Kirran]

What do you mean by experiencing God and which God?

You don't think you can experience the presence of God?

 

[FearGod]

You don't think you can experience the presence of God?

And what after experiencing the presence of God, may I ask you what your belief is?

 

[Kirran]

And what after experiencing the presence of God, may I ask you what your belief is?

Belief is a mental construct. Direct experience blows belief out of the water.

 

[FearGod]

Belief is a mental construct. Direct experience blows belief out of the water.

You believe due to a direct experience, so what next, why you need to believe
that God does exist?

 

[Kirran]

You believe due to a direct experience, so what next, why you need to believe
that God does exist?

No, belief can exist with or without direct experience. It's a lesser thing, a mental construction. I'm not the biggest fan of it, although of course it has its place.

 

[FearGod]

No, belief can exist with or without direct experience. It's a lesser thing, a mental construction. I'm not the biggest fan of it, although of course it has its place.

You didn't answer my question, why you need to believe that God does exist regardless
if due to direct experience or by proof, which religion you follow?

 

[Kirran]

You didn't answer my question, why you need to believe that God does exist regardless
if due to direct experience or by proof, which religion you follow?

What do you mean, why do I need to believe it?

No especial religion, all sorts of spiritual traditions relate to the same divinity.

 

[FearGod]

What do you mean, why do I need to believe it?

No especial religion, all sorts of spiritual traditions relate to the same divinity.

So you don't believe that God may send us a message by any prophet and hence you
don't believe in any religion, or you believe all religions are right.

 

[Kirran]

So you don't believe that God may send us a message by any prophet and hence you
don't believe in any religion, or you believe all religions are right.

I believe all religions to be traditions which have evolved around humanity's efforts to relate to God.

Sure, God can send messages and speak to and through people, yeah, but it's not like God is far away and limited. "God is closer to you than your jugular vein"! God is present in this moment, in every moment, and manifests the world and all forms from His own being.

 

[FearGod]

I believe all religions to be traditions which have evolved around humanity's efforts to relate to God.

Sure, God can send messages and speak to and through people, yeah, but it's not like God is far away and limited. "God is closer to you than your jugular vein"! God is present in this moment, in every moment, and manifests the world and all forms from His own being.

I understand you believe in God but not sure about any religion or you don't believe in any.

 

[omega2xx]

You just asked what advances science has made. This is one of them. Production of self-replicating bio-machinery, construction of cells using components, etc, are others.

I don't see using something containing a form of life to make something self-replicate as an advancement. If you do that's fine with me.

 

[omega2xx]

fact is fact, those chemically are lifeless yet bound on sugars with the correct environment and sufficient time they can create DNA.

They cannot. DNA is far to complex to have something with no life to created DNA.

By your argument god magic is not convincing to me.

I am not trying to convince you. I am just pointing out that what you say is not scientifically provable, knowing you will not believe me.

 

[omega2xx]

Quantum physics can, and does, it happens all the time around and inside you. Particles create and then annihilate.

They do it but it is meaningless. They need a perfect vacuum to say something was created out of nothing ,and they don't have one yet.

 

[Kirran]

I understand you believe in God but not sure about any religion or you don't believe in any.

Nah, that's not what I said. Re-read the post.

They cannot. DNA is far to complex to have something with no life to created DNA.

What is it about DNA's structure which is so especially complex, omega?

 

[ChristineM]

They cannot. DNA is far to complex to have something with no life to created DNA.



I am not trying to convince you. I am just pointing out that what you say is not scientifically provable, knowing you will not believe me.

DNA is made up of a sugar called deoxyribose, a phosisphate molecule and four different nitrogenous bases - adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine. All very basic, low atomic weight and therefore formed early in the universe's history chemicals. No dna is not complicated but there is a lot of it, you are confusing complexity with quantity.

My opinion is that it is both scientifically and statistically provable.

 

[ChristineM]

They do it but it is meaningless. They need a perfect vacuum to say something was created out of nothing ,and they don't have one yet.

The quantum is there all the time, every atom of your body is made of quantum particles. Vacuum bubbles form all the time in the quantum domain.

 

[omega2xx]

No this is an actual experiment where the proposal has been achieved, the synthetically made cell has actually taken o nutrients, grown and replicated for three generations. They are not speculating. They have done it and they are reporting it. See below the actual images of the experiment as well as the schematic.

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A recursive vesicle-based model protocell with a primitive model cell cycle : Nature Communications

We found that four discrete phases (ingestion, replication, maturity and division) emerged spontaneously during our pursuit of a constructive approach towards a recursive model protocell. Our model protocell completed this primitive model cell cycle, in which individual processes in each phase collaborated with the next, specifically responding to external stimuli from the environment.

(a) Self-proliferation of GV (Giant Vesicle) -based model protocell from 1st generation to 3rd generation. DNA amplification in mother GV was followed by the first division to give rise to daughter GVs. Ingestion of dNTP in conveyer GV by daughter GVs and DNA amplification in daughter GV led the second division to give granddaughter GVs (bottom). (b) Differential interface contrast microscope image of DNA-amplified daughter GV (left). Fluorescence microscope images of the red fluorescence emitted from the vesicular membrane (center) and the green fluorescence from inside the daughter GV (right). Scale bar, 10 μm. (c) Division of the daughter GV to afford granddaughter GVs by the addition of precursor V* of the membrane lipid. Scale bar, 20 μm.

They started with something that already had life in it.

 

[omega2xx]

Nah, that's not what I said. Re-read the post.



What is it about DNA's structure which is so especially complex, omega?

Are you really suggesting DNA is not complex? Every living cell is extremely complex. Don't take my work of it, I am just parroting what real scientist have said for years.