Producing life from non living matter

[ChristineM]

My opinion is based on sound, provable examples.

Your problem is you need a perfect vacuum and you ain't got one.[/QUOTE]

Nope, In the quantum realm it's false vacuums

 

[LuisDantas]

The DNA is similar to computer programming, the sequences and instructions
is made to perform a designed job.

I don't think you realize how rough and how accidental DNA truly is.

Come to think of it, have I already asked you how you explain happenings such as anencephaly and hydrocephalus? Personally, I find those hard to explain if DNA was somehow designed, "meant to be".

26 letters used for the work of Shakeseare could have no meaning if were written by a child, sdfjr ffddsdk dsddfe rffdfd dcddefjdf dcscdf cncnxx ......, Got it

Text does not have a self-replicating mechanism inherent to its structure. DNA has. That makes a lot of difference, since the self-replication refines itself.

 

[FearGod]

I don't think you realize how rough and how accidental DNA truly is.

I believe it has a perfect language which is planned and designed by
a conscious intelligent being to perform its job as it's.

Come to think of it, have I already asked you how you explain happenings such as anencephaly and hydrocephalus? Personally, I find those hard to explain if DNA was somehow designed, "meant to be".

I see no point here

Text does not have a self-replicating mechanism inherent to its structure. DNA has. That makes a lot of difference, since the self-replication refines itself.

And why the DNA has a self-replicating mechanism, just happened to be so by accident, sorry it doesn't make sense to me, the DNA is designed to perform its job in a rational way.

 

[LuisDantas]

I believe it has a perfect language which is planned and designed by a conscious intelligent being to perform its job as it's.

You just reinforced my impression. Whatever you describe does not sound to me much like actual DNA.

I see no point here

Do you know what anencephaly and hydrocephalus are?

And why the DNA has a self-replicating mechanism, just happened to be so by accident, sorry it doesn't make sense to me, the DNA is designed to perform its job in a rational way.

That goes entirely against both logic and evidence, but I guess you will believe in what you will.

 

[Kirran]

DNA is massively unorganised, is almost entirely made of junk DNA with little or no function and is pretty error-prone on the scales at which it is used by multicellular life forms.

 

[FearGod]

You just reinforced my impression. Whatever you describe does not sound to me much like actual DNA.

This will help you to understand which is made simple.
What does DNA do?

Do you know what anencephaly and hydrocephalus are?

Abnormality diseases.

That goes entirely against both logic and evidence, but I guess you will believe in what you will.

How is that, explain your point to see if I'll agree or not than prejudgement..

 

[FearGod]

DNA is massively unorganised, is almost entirely made of junk DNA with little or no function and is pretty error-prone on the scales at which it is used by multicellular life forms.

And you said you believe in God due to experience and you believe in God without the need of proof and then you think the work of God is unorganized,
you're funny indeed.

 

[Kirran]

And you said you believe in God due to experience and you believe in God without the need of proof and then you think the work of God is unorganized,
you're funny indeed.

That is either a misunderstanding or a misrepresentation of what I've been saying.

It is scientifically factual that DNA is unorganised and much of it non-functional. That doesn't mean that God's creation is anything other than perfect.

 

[FearGod]

That is either a misunderstanding or a misrepresentation of what I've been saying.

It is scientifically factual that DNA is unorganised and much of it non-functional. That doesn't mean that God's creation is anything other than perfect.

And how an unorganized thing can lead to an organized outcome?
clarify your point of how the DNA make instructions to make the specific protein.
how that work wasn't design, just happened to be so is irrational answer.

 

[Kirran]

And how an unorganized thing can lead to an organized outcome?
clarify your point of how the DNA make instructions to make the specific protein.
how that work wasn't design, just happened to be so is irrational answer.

The majority of DNA is unstructured and non-functional. There is a low percentage which is functional, and an even lower percentage which codes for proteins as opposed to being regulatory.

 

[FearGod]

The majority of DNA is unstructured and non-functional. There is a low percentage which is functional, and an even lower percentage which codes for proteins as opposed to being regulatory.

That doesn't answer my question, reread my post.

 

[Kirran]

That doesn't answer my question, reread my post.

It answered the first two lines.

The third I find a non-sequitur.

 

[FearGod]

It answered the first two lines.

The third I find a non-sequitur.

How the instructions lead to making the specific protein?

For example the transistors are simple, they're used to amplify
the electric current, there are different types of it and each has
a code, the same thing for resistors, capacitors and other components,
now connecting them in a specific way is what makes it work, connecting
it in a random way for millions of years will lead to rubbish.

 

[Kirran]

How the instructions lead to making the specific protein?

For example the transistors are simple, they're used to amplify
the electric current, there are different types of it and each has
a code, the same thing for resistors, capacitors and other components,
now connecting them in a specific way is what makes it work, connecting
it in a random way for millions of years will lead to rubbish.

They aren't instructions, really. They're a combination of adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine bases which result in the synthesis of different proteins by cell machinery, in particular involving RNA polymerases, different RNAs and ribosomal proteins.

Yeah, cool - natural selection isn't random.

 

[FearGod]

They aren't instructions, really. They're a combination of adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine bases which result in the synthesis of different proteins by cell machinery, in particular involving RNA polymerases, different RNAs and ribosomal proteins.

Why a specific combinations has to lead to a specific outcome?
and the cell should be alive for the DNA to work and to replicate.
you aren't answering my questions.

Yeah, cool - natural selection isn't random.

I didn't mention natural selection.

 

[Kirran]

Why a specific combinations has to lead to a specific outcome?
and the cell should be alive for the DNA to work and to replicate.
you aren't answering my questions.

Yeah you've gotta have that cell machinery in place.

As for why a specific combination produces a specific outcome: each codon (which is to say, three base pairs of DNA/RNA) encodes a particular amino acid. Therefore, aside from when there are errors, a coding piece of DNA or RNA will be translated into a particular sequence of amino acids. The differences between amino acid side chains combined with downstream processing dictate the properties of the resulting protein.

I didn't mention natural selection.

You said 'connecting them in a random way for millions of years' as if this was in some way analagous to the processes we were discussing regarding DNA. This is an inaccurate description of the processes involved.

 

[FearGod]

Yeah you've gotta have that cell machinery in place.

As for why a specific combination produces a specific outcome: each codon (which is to say, three base pairs of DNA/RNA) encodes a particular amino acid. Therefore, aside from when there are errors, a coding piece of DNA or RNA will be translated into a particular sequence of amino acids. The differences between amino acid side chains combined with downstream processing dictate the properties of the resulting protein.

Why the DNA has such mechanism to change connections or mutating?
it can be fixed and rigid other than being flexible and changeable.

You said 'connecting them in a random way for millions of years' as if this was in some way analagous to the processes we were discussing regarding DNA. This is an inaccurate description of the processes involved.

No, I was talking about DNA encoding and not evolution.

 

[Kirran]

Why the DNA has such mechanism to change connections or mutating?
it can be fixed and rigid other than being flexible and changeable.

The DNA doesn't have that mechanism inandof itself. DNA is inactive.

There will always be errors in replication, that's what makes DNA changeable over time. Replication is not perfect.

No, I was talking about DNA encoding and not evolution.

So the "millions of years"?

 

[FearGod]

The DNA doesn't have that mechanism inandof itself. DNA is inactive.

If it doesn't have such mechanism then how evolution happened,
how evolution happened if the DNA wasn't mutating and flexible?

There will always be errors in replication, that's what makes DNA changeable over time. Replication is not perfect.

Humans are still humans for thousands of years and still, so when do you think
the DNA will mutate, and if it won't then what makes it stable till now?
what if the DNA alter and change all the times than just replicating itself? will we survive or life will end?
How that is controllable? is it a matter of good luck or a planned one?

So the "millions of years"?

Millions of years connecting randomly the electronic components compared to the DNA sequences.

 

[Kirran]

If it doesn't have such mechanism then how evolution happened,
how evolution happened if the DNA wasn't mutating and flexible?

DNA is inert inandof itself. It does do anything alone. It functions only as part of a set of cellular machinery.

Humans are still humans for thousands of years and still, so when do you think
the DNA will mutate, and if it won't then what makes it stable till now?
what if the DNA alter and change all the times than just replicating itself? will we survive or life will end?
How that is controllable? is it a matter of good luck or a planned one?

Humans have evolved and mutated. This is why you see lactose tolerance predominating in some populations, for example.

It's not a matter of control, it's a chemical process which operates under particular parameters. God's manifestation at a gross level can be easily described in such terms.

Millions of years connecting randomly the electronic components compared to the DNA sequences.

Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about with the 'connecting randomly' stuff.