Rights can be dismissed! Principles can be dismissed! Long live her call to muscle the press!
Read Stalinism writ very, very small.
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Professor Melissa Click should be fired
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LittlePinky82
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She resigned and apologized for the incident. You don't read very well do you? Or at least comprehend? Hence the meaningful response. She cared that she hurt a student after the fact. Where has the school cared?
I could make a KKK joke considering this school's history...
Aw bless your heart. A Commie joke. Aw. Did you come up with that on your own? How precious.
Yes, but it wasn't a joke. It turns out that I know qualitatively more about Communism, Trostkyism, and Socialism than you, which is one of the reasons that I take things such as principles seriously.
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
Sure, you go with that if it helps you feel better about yourself. Except you haven't had any discussions with me about any of that on here (since I've been gone for a long time and only back a short while now) to know whether or not you really do or don't. You're just assuming you do to so you can brag and pump yourself up on an internet message board.
And where was this student oppressed? He was there. He got his story. He got an apology. If he was in Stalinism or anything he wouldn't have even been with that. Like I said before people in the US have no idea what real oppression is.
And what about the oppression the black students are having? Are you as concerned about that as you are for this one student who was protected? Why aren't the other students as protected as him? These students have been protesting for a while to be protected on school and not harassed while they're getting an education. Why aren't you as concerned about them?
Yes, the thread is about this teacher.
There's a bigger picture in which protesting racism is a valid action. Having a valid reason for protesting does not justify pushing around the media, or anyone. That's why it's called "peaceful protesting."
From what I can see the guy with the camera was not going up and invading the personal space of the other people -- they were doing that to him, and pushing him, and acting like they weren't. Because of that behavior, I question their motives and their honesty.
Really? So were you just trying to derail the conversation from the topic of the OP to what you wanted?No really? I never would have guessed that. Certainly not from the title.
There's a bigger picture in which protesting racism is a valid action. Having a valid reason for protesting does not justify pushing around the media, or anyone. That's why it's called "peaceful protesting."
From what I can see the guy with the camera was not going up and invading the personal space of the other people -- they were doing that to him, and pushing him, and acting like they weren't. Because of that behavior, I question their motives and their honesty.
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
And he was protected, he got his story, and he got an apology from the person who hurt him. So, what more do you want? Hell, he even got national recognition and even more of a story than what he was originally going for.
What about protecting other students? Why was this student more protected than the ones who are getting harassed as well?
Again, people in the US have no idea what oppression really is. If he was oppressed his story wouldn't have a thread even on here. People across the country wouldn't be talking about it.
These students have been protesting for a while now and telling of what's going on and even faculty have done a walk out, there's been a hunger strike, black football players leaving the team over it. Yet, still these students weren't listened to and now they're protesting.
The school administration has a job to protect all students on campus. Not just one.
It's good he was protected and had his feelings listened to about the situation. Now let's listen to everyone else who is also getting hurt.
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Yeah, whats the fun in that right.
The conversation is basically about a teacher who is now apologetic after much attention and outrage over her being caught on video attempting to get others to help her to physically harass, "muscle," a student journalist. That's what we're talking about.
I'm not sure I'd call for her being fired, and I do not think she resigned from the university, because it was only stated (where I saw) that she resigned from the "courtesy appointment" which basically gives an honorary position in a different department than the one she is employed by. So I think it is inaccurate to say she "resigned" as though she stopped having employment with the university. She resigned from being associated with the School of Journalism, not the Communications Dept.
We could certainly have a conversation about the other students in a thread about that issue. This thread is about the way the teacher behaved -- and what the teacher, who should protect all students was trying to have happen to one she didn't agree with.
This student was not more protected than the ones getting harassed. Sorry. Just don't see that. The student had others come up to him. He did not go up to anyone, and stand within inches of them.
Just because there may a different conversation -- about racism on campus -- doesn't mean we can't have a conversation about how we go about protesting peacefully.
Or...if you want to make it as though there's only one conversation we should be having -- and it's the faculty's racism on campus...maybe this teacher got up in that guy's face like that because he wasn't white. Maybe she was exposing her own racism. (I don't really think that.)
So...are you saying he would have to seriously physically harmed for people to be justified in having a discussion about what behavior is appropriate in such a situation? I'd rather people handle it with words than with violence, so I'm not going to hold up some other country's way of doing it worse as the standard.
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
No, really? Wow, never would have figured it out. Certainly not after the op, the op with the link, the thread title, and now 3 pages of it.
The point is he was a student who told of something that happened to him on campus and had video evidence of it. The person who hurt him apologized and had an action take place that was appropriate for the situation and she resigned from the appointment.
These students have been protesting for a while now about them having harassment on campus. Who has protected them over it?
The faculty have by participating in a walk out with them over it. The players who quit did by participating and using that as their voice with it. But what about the president and administration? They're not doing anything that is meaningful to the people getting hurt on campus simply for having a certain skin color and getting an education.
She did more than the school administration has. She had emotions take over her during an intense situation and saw he was hurt from it and she felt awful about how she behaved and she corrected a wrong. Now where is the wrong for the rest of the student body who has been harassed on this campus?
This teacher showed what should be done. She had a ****ty moment in time where she did something to another person that wasn't right and who said they were hurt. She ACKNOWLEDGED how the person felt and made amends about it. She didn't excuse it. She didn't try to deny it. She full on accepted responsibility for her own actions and behaved like an adult should and an adult with authority should.
Now, what is the rest of administration doing?
There has been hunger strikes, walk outs of students and faculty, the football players quitting. People have made their voices heard about the situation. Yet, they still don't think enough is being done.
One student had harassment who is not white and he was listened to right away. You have 7% not white of the population telling they're having harassment and you got nothing.
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He even got you running around foolishly trying to dismiss the issue.
As for the apology, it should be noted ...
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
Still doesn't change the fact it happened. This student was hurt and harassed himself and got a response from the school. Now, what about the rest of the students?
So the students protesting aren't protesting for free speech either? Wtf are you talking about? Do you even know why they're protesting?
It's for their free speech too, dear, fyi. To not be called the N word and other racial slurs for getting an education while black.
Why don't you want these other students to have free speech for being harassed for getting an education while black?
I don't really know what you are asking, or if you're just complaining without having read anything about it.
The president of the university resigned, and the chancellor is stepping down from that position. That apparently happened even before the article of the OP came out.
There's been a lot going on, so I'm wondering why you are acting as though nothing is happening.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/university-of-missouri-system-president-resigns.html?_r=0
The president of the university resigned, and the chancellor is stepping down from that position. That apparently happened even before the article of the OP came out.
There's been a lot going on, so I'm wondering why you are acting as though nothing is happening.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/university-of-missouri-system-president-resigns.html?_r=0
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
This is the day before your link-
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/university-of-missouri-system-president-resigns.html?_r=1
And here is the list, from Oct 20, of the demands. How many of them have been met?
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...-5479-9b64-e4b362b4e155/563fd24f5a949.pdf.pdf
And obviously not enough is being done, according to the students involved in this, if they're STILL protesting.
This link tells of their every day stories of racism on campus-
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/n...cle_81f35cfe-84af-11e5-b4e4-ef223ec60553.html
This is also the previous day before your link.
Oh and also the first link I had obviously other media was there. And oh look no one being harassed for reporting on it. The NYTimes were there talking to students about the situation and you can see their signs that say "no media" but oh look media is still there talking to people about it both faculty and students a like. And oh look so many other students there have their phones and obviously video taping.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
But have they brought these incidents to the attention of school officials with corroborating evidence like the Journalism student did?
What a remarkably stupid ad hominem.
Show me where I've ever suggested that I "don't you want these other students to have free speech for being harassed for getting an education while black" or apologize and shut up.
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
You sure are acting like it.
And if you watch the beginning of the video you can hear a woman say "if you're with the media you need to back up." The person in question was trying to push students first. You see another adult white man tell him to not touch the students. Did you watch that or did you just fast forward to the "good part"?
Yes, as I posted other links to this as well. Did you look at that?
Also, if you watch the ENTIRE video and not just the "good part" with the woman and the student you can see their signs of "NO MEDIA" means this is where media can't be for their demonstration of when they link arms.
In the beginning you keep seeing the adult staff there telling the media back up, back up. You need to get to where the signs says "NO MEDIA."
If you watch the links I posted, such as from the NYTimes, you can see other media there. You can see in the video clip other students and other people with high tech cameras similar to the guy and cell phones a like filming.
The sign wasn't to keep out the media. It was to keep them from interfering with the demonstration.
Did people watch the whole thing?
The guy in question is saying he's also a student but he's there as a journalist student. He's there with the media. Not with the demonstrators/protestors.
The students were asking him to move back and not be so in their face and "give them space." He was literally in their faces. Is that okay to do? If someone asks you to please step back why don't you respect them?
You linked the exact same article that I linked. It's not the day before. Maybe just actually look at what I posted.
I'm not going to look at what you linked here, and I'm not going to pretend like I looked at it.
What the students are protesting and what the administration has done is relevant in the big picture -- but that is not the topic of this thread. As I said, you can make a thread about that if you want to.
Again, another link I have no intention of looking at. It's not relevant to this conversation. It's about something else. Racism. That's not the subject of this thread, no matter how much you seem to want to make this conversation about it.
No one is arguing that racism is ok, or that it should be allowed, or that it should not be addressed, and just because no one is doing something on one day, that people did on another day, doesn't make it ok to do that thing on that day...and I think it's a silly argument to try and put forth, as though that means anything.
esmith
Veteran Member
I think you are getting two stories confused. Seems you do have a problem reading. The comment about elitist children was in reference to the story line I linked. Save you some trouble here is the link again:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...tolerance-of-student-activism-at-yale/414810/
LittlePinky82
Well-Known Member
Yes, it is relevant. It's why the whole thing happened in the first place.
And the guy is being ridiculous in the video with the camera. The people aren't saying to not document it. They're asking him to STEP BACK. To not be in people's faces. He's literally inches away from them shooting them in their faces. If someone asks you to not be so close why not respect it? That has nothing to do with the first amendment. The young woman arguing with him at the beginning is just telling him to not be so in their faces. To just step back a little bit. But he's arguing "oh first amendment!" like it gives him some authority to be inches away from someone's face. The guy is still yelling at the young woman about the first amendment and she says "that's fine just calm down" and all they're asking him is to STEP BACK. He was being unreasonable in the process not fully understanding the situation. Another woman asks him to step back and treat people with decency and humanity and not be in their faces like he was. He says "there's no law against it." And they're still trying to get him to see he's fine being there he's just TOO CLOSE. He's literally in their faces inches away and they time and again asked him to please step back. They only start chanting to "go home" after he refuses to just step a little back.
You can see other students there also filming with their cameras.
The other guy too was the same case. They were being nice to him plenty of times. The red hair woman was a smart *** but she was doing the same as everyone else. They didn't want media in certain places on the property for their demonstration. They were polite in their asking. The guy was still around. I didn't see any scruffling or any tumbling or nothing.
Evidence was asked about their situation. Eyewitness testimony is that and hence why I linked to it.
Oh more "pc culture" whining. What else is new? Yawn. Yes, yes I watch "South Park" too as evident. And that's not why college is more expensive. Lmao. Nice try though.
OK. So. Are you saying that someone on campus can decide to designate where someone else can go, just because they want to give themselves that authority?
If you believe someone, or group, has the right to say, "you can't go here on campus, because you are media" please justify that. I do not agree the woman in the video has the right to do that.
The reason I would not agree with that is because I also don't believe a person has the right on campus to say, "you can't go here because you are black." If I make a sign that says "No Blacks" would you argue that's ok? IWould you argue that the sign gives me the right to determine who could stand where. I'd argue that it's absurd. I think you would think it's an absurd stance, too.
Now...if you think you can justify an you get to say who goes where, don't you see how that very same argument could be used by someone with racist intent?
That woman in the video was not displaying free and equal access, she was denying access to someone she didn't agree with, or like -- which is the same type of attitude and behavior a racist would be faulted for, just with a different face.