Professor Melissa Click should be fired

[LittlePinky82]

OK. So. Are you saying that someone on campus can decide to designate where someone else can go, just because they want to?

If you believe someone, or group, has the right to say, "you can't go here on campus, because you are media" please justify that. I do not agree the woman in the video has the right to do that.

The reason I would not agree with that is because I also don't believe a person has the right on campus to say, "you can't go here because you are black." If I make a sign that says "No Blacks" would you argue that's ok? I'd argue that it's absurd.

Now...if you think you can justify an you get to say who goes where, don't you see how that very same argument could be used by someone with racist intent?

That woman in the video was not displaying free and equal access, she was denying access to someone she didn't agree with, or like -- which is the same type of attitude and behavior a racist would be faulted for, just with a different face.

It's for a demonstration and as long as they got the okay from the campus why not with the media?

They're not saying to not be there. They're saying this particular spot you can't be because it's where they were doing their demonstration and you'd be in the way and get run over possibly because they had a point where they moved forward for a few steps and almost ran over a guy and he got all freaked out for a second (even though they told him to step back and he was stubborn). Did you not watch the video at all? You see all sorts of people there with cameras whether hand phone or professional taking pictures. The NYTimes link I gave you was a video of them interviewing faculty and students a like at the day and you can see the tents and signs around. But oh look at that the media is still there. The guy who did the video was still walking around outside the group doing his video.

No, they were denying it to everyone. Did you not see the beginning of the video? Where they were telling EVERYONE in the media to stay back?

Seems like you didn't watch the video and just did the "good part" of at all.

They had a certain part on the ground, where they were doing their link circle, where they didn't want media at that spot. They even said "please." Yeah such thugs with saying "please."

Maybe you should watch the video. Just saying. And not just the "good part."

Also, how silly with racism. This is "the media." This is not targeting anyone specific for their race, gender, sexuality or anything such as that. They were not saying you can't be there period. They were saying you can't be at that spot because it was where they were doing their demonstration and needed the room for it.

They had a certain spot they wanted to do their demonstration at and hey if you wanted to get run over that's your risk like the guy at the beginning who was stubborn to listen and he almost did and freaked out a bit about it even though they warned him and asked him. I guess maybe people should listen to other's?

Also, if you watch the video you can see other students there filming with their hand phones. Notice how they're back and not in students faces and not getting yelled at. Imagine that!

The NYTimes link as well you can see people walking around with different cameras and nobody yelling in their faces. Huh. Maybe there's something to that.

 

[4consideration]

It's for a demonstration and as long as they got the okay from the campus why not with the media?

Because I think it's important what one allows with people that one agrees with, since the same behavior could be dangerous in the hands of someone else, like one's enemy. Generally speaking, I think if one wouldn't want one's enemy to be able to do something, one shouldn't support one's friend being able to do it. Things have a way of turning and cycling.

You see, I disagree that a protesting group should be allowed to exclude the media from public spaces, just because they want to. I disagree in this situation, even though I think racism is harmful and cruel. I'd disagree with the media being kept out if the demonstrating group was the KKK, and they wanted an exclusive off-limits to the media area on campus. I'd definitely want the media in there seeing what they're up to.

Just because they have some grievances against the administration, doesn't mean they get to dictate how and where the media records this event on campus. The president had just resigned. They were celebrating that and still protesting. It wasn't just "their" event even. It was a school event.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you even have any idea what has been going on at this Missouri school? It all began when students were being harassed and called the N word because they're black. And it escalated from there. The University didn't do enough to keep students from being harassed for the color of their skin.

So now it's being a "special snowflake" to want to go to college and do better for yourself and get that higher education for a better job and not be harassed for the color of your skin?

This college has been dealing with a lot of racism issues. Why shouldn't students be able to feel safe and like they're not being harassed because of the color of their skin?

Why is it only "special snowflake" when it's black kids speaking up? Just like how cops get off the hook for the **** they've been doing to black people. There's even a case in Oklahoma of a cop who has been sexually abusing black women of all ages, including a 57 yr old grandmother, and he's probably going to get off.

I really don't blame them for not trusting the media. If they really care about messaging or anything they have social media.

I've read of their troubles.
But of course, this doesn't justify a teacher advocating violence to prevent coverage by the press.

 

[columbus]

Obviously this school has issues that need to be addressed.

How could you possibly know this? Do you attend the school?
Or are you basing your opinions on stuff written by people taught by Ms Click's fellow "professors"?

It would be different if she were teaching math or religion or something. Her abilities to teach those subjects effectively would not be a question. Her understanding of media and communication is obviously unimpressive.
To be charitable about it.
Tom

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You sure are acting like it.

 

[Revoltingest]

You sure are acting like it.

I think you misread his posts then.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope. I'm going by his own words.

So am I.
And I have the advantage of reading far more of them.
He's one of those fire breathing, protest attending, insufferable liberal social activists.
(Just watch......he'll take the above vile epithets as a compliment.)

 

[columbus]

I'm going on about it from watching the video.

You mean the one Melissa Click allowed you to see?
Tom

 

[LittlePinky82]

You mean the one Melissa Click allowed you to see?
Tom

This is from the person who reported her. You do know that right?

 

[LittlePinky82]

Here is the video full on from the person who was the one who was confronted by Click later on. All that happened was she was a sarcastic *** to him. She didn't touch him. She didn't do anything but put her hand in front of his camera and be a smart ***. He still walked around and happily video taped.

Watch the whole thing not just the "good" part.

Yet nothing from you all about the students getting cameras literally inches from their faces in the first part of the video.

 

[Apex]

Here is the video full on from the person who was the one who was confronted by Click later on. All that happened was she was a sarcastic *** to him. She didn't touch him. She didn't do anything but put her hand in front of his camera and be a smart ***. He still walked around and happily video taped.

Watch the whole thing not just the "good" part.

Yet nothing from you all about the students getting cameras literally inches from their faces in the first part of the video.

You are a very special person.

 

[LittlePinky82]

So am I.
And I have the advantage of reading far more of them.
He's one of those fire breathing, protest attending, insufferable liberal social activists.
(Just watch......he'll take the above vile epithets as a compliment.)

Except when it's this situation where people didn't even fully watch the video.


Ask me this question. If you're literally inches from someone's face and they ask you to not do that do you have to listen in the name of journalism or do you just keep snapping away literally inches from their faces? If a student doesn't want their picture taken and you're taking it do you have to listen in the name of journalism? Or can anyone just take your picture and make a profit off it?

You are a very special person.

I know how to fully watch things and not go by a one minute part of a whole video.

Don't blame me y'all didn't do the same thing.

How many of you posting actually watched the whole video? Or are you just going by what others told you? This video is from the person who even reported Click by the way so you don't have that excuse.

 

[Apex]

Except when it's this situation where people didn't even fully watch the video.


Ask me this question. If you're literally inches from someone's face and they ask you to not do that do you have to listen in the name of journalism or do you just keep snapping away literally inches from their faces? If a student doesn't want their picture taken and you're taking it do you have to listen in the name of journalism? Or can anyone just take your picture and make a profit off it?




I know how to fully watch things and not go by a one minute part of a whole video.

Don't blame me y'all didn't do the same thing.

How many of you posting actually watched the whole video? Or are you just going by what others told you? This video is from the person who even reported Click by the way so you don't have that excuse.

You wouldn't happen to be related to Ken M, would you?

 

[LittlePinky82]

You wouldn't happen to be related to Ken M, would you?

You wouldn't happen to be avoiding the question's would you?

Why won't you answer the question's?

Did you watch the video yet?

Is it okay for journalists to not respect people while they're documenting? Do you think it's okay for journalists to be literally inches from someone's face taking their picture? If a person asks you to not take their picture does a journalist have to listen?

 

[Apex]

You wouldn't happen to be avoiding the question's would you?

Why won't you answer the question's?

Did you watch the video yet?

Is it okay for journalists to not respect people while they're documenting? Do you think it's okay for journalists to be literally inches from someone's face taking their picture? If a person asks you to not take their picture does a journalist have to listen?

I watched the full length video before I had even seen this thread.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You wouldn't happen to be avoiding the question's would you?

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ignore-list :: long past due​

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[lewisnotmiller]

As someone who was active with CORE and who was among those who sat around the police car holding Jack Weinberg at UC Berkeley, I have deep empathy for student protest, but not actions aimed at physically suppressing the rights of the press.

This +1.
Also, in a purely pragmatic sense, freedom of the press and access to public spaces is a key means of improving situations with regards to racism and prejudice.

It's entirely possible to support the students right to action AND the rights of the press, and in my opinion that is the most ideologically consistent position.

 

[4consideration]

This +1.
Also, in a purely pragmatic sense, freedom of the press and access to public spaces is a key means of improving situations with regards to racism and prejudice.

It's entirely possible to support the students right to action AND the rights of the press, and in my opinion that is the most ideologically consistent position.

I think it's entirely possible to do both, and I too, would support that.

(I just don't support a teacher attempting to incite physical action against a student for being a member of the media, and attempting to cover the story.)

 

[LittlePinky82]

Nice attempt at deflection.

Show me what I said that you are asserting is evidence of me lying. You accused me of lying. If I am lying there are words that I used that involves lying . Show me the words I said that you are saying that are lies.

Also, show me even once where I ever used the word "oppression" (or any form of it) on this entire thread.

Your previous post-

Because I think it's important what one allows with people that one agrees with, since the same behavior could be dangerous in the hands of someone else, like one's enemy. Generally speaking, I think if one wouldn't want one's enemy to be able to do something, one shouldn't support one's friend being able to do it. Things have a way of turning and cycling.

You see, I disagree that a protesting group should be allowed to exclude the media from public spaces, just because they want to. I disagree in this situation, even though I think racism is harmful and cruel. I'd disagree with the media being kept out if the demonstrating group was the KKK, and they wanted an exclusive off-limits to the media area on campus. I'd definitely want the media in there seeing what they're up to.

Just because they have some grievances against the administration, doesn't mean they get to dictate how and where the media records this event on campus. The president had just resigned. They were celebrating that and still protesting. It wasn't just "their" event even. It was a school event.

You said they were dictating how the media records. I provided several links showing the media reporting and there on campus filming and no one bothering them. Even students talking to them and being nice. Even if just to say they weren't going to talk yet.

And "they" didn't do anything. One person did a snarky and smart *** comment. They were properly punished. So, what else is there?

<yawn>

ignore-list :: long past due​

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Good bye. Don't care.

This +1.
Also, in a purely pragmatic sense, freedom of the press and access to public spaces is a key means of improving situations with regards to racism and prejudice.

It's entirely possible to support the students right to action AND the rights of the press, and in my opinion that is the most ideologically consistent position.

And look at all the media I posted of them there interviewing students, filming for b-roll and talking about it in reporting. Wow, imagine that.

So where was that no media there again?

This +1.
Also, in a purely pragmatic sense, freedom of the press and access to public spaces is a key means of improving situations with regards to racism and prejudice.

It's entirely possible to support the students right to action AND the rights of the press, and in my opinion that is the most ideologically consistent position.

And where has the media not been doing that? Where were they oppressed or being left out and told not to be in public space? Even in the original video, from the person who reported Click, he was walking around and talking to students and filming. They just asked to not be filmed personally and not in their face.

I watched the full length video before I had even seen this thread.

Yet you still haven't answered my question's.

Do people have the right to tell journalists they don't want a camera literally in their face? Do people have a right to tell a journalist they personally don't want to be filmed?

Are you familiar with privacy laws?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_laws_of_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_law

And if people wonder why protesters, especially poc protesters, don't trust the media I recommend listening to this woman speak about her own thoughts about it as a poc woman here in the US-

(this is just her views but she says what I think too about it generally and why I don't blame protesters, especially poc protesters, for not trusting the media)

Just for the record this woman isn't shy about her language before you view it.

 

[4consideration]

Your previous post-



You said they were dictating how the media records. I provided several links showing the media reporting and there on campus filming and no one bothering them. Even students talking to them and being nice. Even if just to say they weren't going to talk yet.

And "they" didn't do anything. One person did a snarky and smart *** comment. They were properly punished. So, what else is there?

Not quite accurate in how you are representing what I said, but you are close.

I said just because they have grievances doesn't mean they get to dictate how the media records the event at the school. The entire time I've been talking about the topic of this thread, the teacher, and the particular instance involving her. I'm not talking about all the other instances of reporting. I did not claim, or mean, that the protesters were successful, or attempting to, dictate that no one film that day, anywhere on campus. I didn't even suggest that.

I haven't stopped talking about the topic of this thread. Just because you seem to be trying to make it NOT about the teacher, and that particular event -- that's still what this thread is about.

The entire time I was talking about the area where the teacher was, and called for muscle to eject the reporter from -- and the crowd that was behaving as though they had the authority to use intimidation, and were pushing him. I do think that behavior is an attempt to dictate how the media records, by attempting to stop him. Is that it? Is it that what you're calling lying?

Are you saying they are not trying to tell him, to dictate to him, that he can't record there? The way I see it, that's what you'd need to be saying in order to say, a communication like, "you can't be here, you can't record here" is not trying to tell someone what he can't do.