Proof for Freewill (and, thus, disproof of Atheism) is notion of "Today"

[Twilight Hue]

We got to know about the conservation of information from first hand by a physical problem. The problem was found by Dr. Steven Hawking and is called the "Information loss paradox in Black Holes". According to my own calculations, the Black Hole is indeed a hole in spacetime: the event horizon is the edge of our reality, and falling matter [including the related information] simply vanishes into the Absolute Nothing.

In Quantum Mechanics, the Law of Conservation of Information is known. The amount of information that is recorded in the [wave function of] nature does not change over time.

This means that all of Shakespeare's poems could have been read before the poet's birth, if we would have been there with the necessary devices called "readers of information".

However, if we would have read his poems before Shakespeare's birth, we would have destroyed the poet in this act of reading. Therefore, there would never have been such a Shakespeare with his poems. But then we would not be able to read this information about Shakespeare. The way out of this contradiction is: we cannot read the information about the poems before the birth of the poet. So, the poet is the source of poems.

Conclusion: there must be a free-will of people, as people are truly free. Through this channel new information is coming in. However, looking from the spacetime perspective, the actions of people with free-will have already happened. As an example, in the next year I will be dead or alive, and the right option is already written into the spacetime map. Therefore, even having proven the existence of free-will, we have not disproven the Omniscient Being. This is because of the way we look at the spacetime continuum: there is no scientific reason why we see on the calendar the year 2020 and not 2022. Why? Because there is problem with the definition of "today":

1. "Today" is 2020, but the last year's "Today" was 2019, so it is undecidable.

2. "Today" is what you see on the calendar today. But this is tautology.

Conclusion: Today's biggest problem is "Today" itself.

More is in the file attached:

Check out Stephen Hawking's last speech.

 

[questfortruth]

Oh right so its you who decides what is nonsense and what is not

Simply be true to your "guiding star". One can not have mistakes before mistakes are found.

 

[questfortruth]

Check out Stephen Hawking's last speech.

Delusion. Death bed delusion. Recent Gravitational Waves observation has disproven the "soft hairs of Black Hole", the "hairs" (according to Steven's last hope) would be carrying out information.

 

[Nakosis]

I'm usually happy to support an argument for free will. In this case however...

 

[Samael_Khan]

Significant part of Atheistic Community rely on Freewill: Atheism = No Freewill, holds for them. Would you like video about it?

As an atheist I have heard of the determinism argument. My argument would be against both side:

I don't know how either side can come to a conclusion on the matter if either side cannot be falsified with evidence. And whatever side is true, it won't change the way we go about our lives in the slightest. Whether determinism is true or free will is true doesn't mean anything.

I even do accept that our past influences our choices and some aspects of our lives we have had no choice in. But then if we are just the products of our past then why the heck do we even have the ability to make choices? What would be the point of choices? And how do we even know that we are predisposed to make only certain choices? One would have to be a mind reader to even examine such a position.

 

[ChristineM]

I will now do what you do

One can not have mistakes

And then tout them as truthful on a fake news websites

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The implication in your thread title already includes several false premises right out the gate.
There is nothing in the concept of free will (or the lack thereof, for that matter) that is supposedly incompatible with atheism.

Next to that, atheism is not a claim, so atheism is not a thing that can be "disproven" (or proven, for that matter).

So yea... this doesn't bode well for whatever you wrote in the OP, which I will start reading now.

We got to know about the conservation of information from first hand by a physical problem. The problem was found by Dr. Steven Hawking and is called the "Information loss paradox in Black Holes". According to my own calculations, the Black Hole is indeed a hole in spacetime: the event horizon is the edge of our reality, and falling matter [including the related information] simply vanishes into the Absolute Nothing.

YOUR calculations? Sorry if that gives me a little chuckle.
Are you copy pasting this from somewhere?

Care to actually share these calculations?

Conclusion: there must be a free-will of people, as people are truly free. Through this channel new information is coming in. However, looking from the spacetime perspective, the actions of people with free-will have already happened. As an example, in the next year I will be dead or alive, and the right option is already written into the spacetime map.

Errr... that sounds like an argument AGAINST free will...
As you are literally saying that all your decisions, which might lead to your supposed death next year are "already written in the spacetime map".

This sounds like a direct contradiction of the rather silly point you are trying to make.

Therefore, even having proven the existence of free-will, we have not disproven the Omniscient Being.

You didn't prove free will. You gave an argument against it.

In any case, no you haven't disproven an "omniscient being". More importantly, you didn't prove such a being either. You didn't even support it.

If this is going to end in "it wasn't disproven so therefor it is true", I'll just call it an argument from ignorance.

This is because of the way we look at the spacetime continuum: there is no scientific reason why we see on the calendar the year 2020 and not 2022. Why? Because there is problem with the definition of "today":

No. It's because the counting started 2020 years ago and not 2022.

1. "Today" is 2020, but the last year's "Today" was 2019, so it is undecidable.

2. "Today" is what you see on the calendar today. But this is tautology.

Conclusion: Today's biggest problem is "Today" itself.

More is in the file attached:

Gibber gabber, is what I call that.



Humor me: how exactly did any of this woowoo "disprove atheism"?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Significant part of Atheistic Community rely on Freewill: Atheism = No Freewill, holds for them. Would you like video about it?

I don't care for video's.
I just care for at least a half decent argument that actually makes sense.

Do you have any?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I do not know statistics, but some atheists believe in "no freewill"

"some", so not all and more then 1.
So you could be talking about 3 people and then pretending as if it applies to anyone?
Your title said "atheism". It didn't say "some atheists".


I think some intellectual dishonesty is in order...

Atheistic Community - any group of atheists, who love and help each other.

"any", so it can be again just a small marginal group of people?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Delusion. Death bed delusion. Recent Gravitational Waves observation has disproven the "soft hairs of Black Hole", the "hairs" (according to Steven's last hope) would be carrying out information.

The dude's basicly been on his death bed since he was 25

 

[Skwim]

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Amusing in that free-will isn't mentioned until the conclusion

"Conclusion: there must be a free-will of people, as people are truly free. Through this channel new information is coming in. However, looking from the spacetime perspective, the actions of people with free-will have already happened. As an example, in the next year I will be dead or alive, and the right option is already written into the spacetime map. Therefore, even having proven the existence of free-will, we have not disproven the Omniscient Being. This is because of the way we look at the spacetime continuum: there is no scientific reason why we see on the calendar the year 2020 and not 2022. Why? Because there is problem with the definition of "today":​

And the proof that free-will exists is that "people are truly free."

Give me a break!

AND,

the only mention of atheism OR atheist appears in the second paragraph, and then only once each.

"Your sceptical mood is not caused by my proof [I know, that you have already ’debunked’ the proof or are making no sense of it]. The problem is your reception of the Existing God. It makes no sense for an atheist to except Existing God. His imaginable god does not exist, for there are two poles of soul attraction: Existing God and Non-existing god. That is the reason behind infinite variety of religions between perfectly true Theism and total atheism."
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Give me two breaks here

Makes one pause to question Russian intellect.

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[questfortruth]

"some", so not all and more then 1.
So you could be talking about 3 people and then pretending as if it applies to anyone?
Your title said "atheism". It didn't say "some atheists".


I think some intellectual dishonesty is in order...




"any", so it can be again just a small marginal group of people?

The Nature does not have Freewill, atheists do not believe in super-natural. Thus, in Freewill.

 

[questfortruth]

YOUR calculations? Sorry if that gives me a little chuckle.
Are you copy pasting this from somewhere?

Care to actually share these calculations?

Write me PM.

 

[questfortruth]

Next to that, atheism is not a claim,

Atheists say, that due to the total lack of evidence, there can not be any god whats or ever. Otherwise it is Agnosticism.

 

[McBell]

We got to know about the conservation of information from first hand by a physical problem. The problem was found by Dr. Steven Hawking and is called the "Information loss paradox in Black Holes". According to my own calculations, the Black Hole is indeed a hole in spacetime: the event horizon is the edge of our reality, and falling matter [including the related information] simply vanishes into the Absolute Nothing.

In Quantum Mechanics, the Law of Conservation of Information is known. The amount of information that is recorded in the [wave function of] nature does not change over time.

This means that all of Shakespeare's poems could have been read before the poet's birth, if we would have been there with the necessary devices called "readers of information".

However, if we would have read his poems before Shakespeare's birth, we would have destroyed the poet in this act of reading. Therefore, there would never have been such a Shakespeare with his poems. But then we would not be able to read this information about Shakespeare. The way out of this contradiction is: we cannot read the information about the poems before the birth of the poet. So, the poet is the source of poems.

Conclusion: there must be a free-will of people, as people are truly free. Through this channel new information is coming in. However, looking from the spacetime perspective, the actions of people with free-will have already happened. As an example, in the next year I will be dead or alive, and the right option is already written into the spacetime map. Therefore, even having proven the existence of free-will, we have not disproven the Omniscient Being. This is because of the way we look at the spacetime continuum: there is no scientific reason why we see on the calendar the year 2020 and not 2022. Why? Because there is problem with the definition of "today":

1. "Today" is 2020, but the last year's "Today" was 2019, so it is undecidable.

2. "Today" is what you see on the calendar today. But this is tautology.

Conclusion: Today's biggest problem is "Today" itself.

More is in the file attached:

Please show your calculations.

 

[ChristineM]

Please show your calculations.

You'll be lucky if he does.

 

[ChristineM]

The Nature does not have Freewill, atheists do not believe in super-natural. Thus, in Freewill.

Nature is not supernatural stop assigning meaning of one word to another to massage your ego

Here are the definitions of the two words, maybe you will learn something today

Nature : the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.

Supernatural : (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I do not know statistics, but some atheists believe in "no freewill". Atheistic Community - any group of atheists, who love and help each other.

So what? There are plenty of theists who question whether or not we have free will. There are some atheists who believe that strawberry is the best flavor of ice cream too, but it's completely irrelevant. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in any god or gods. Belief or lack of belief in free will has absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Atheists say, that due to the total lack of evidence, there can not be any god whats or ever. Otherwise it is Agnosticism.

NOPE! And I've told you this NUMEROUS times. Atheism is ONLY a lack of any definite belief in any god or gods. It is NOT an affirmative statement that there are no gods. SOME atheists take it a step further and DO assert that there are no gods, but that is NOT an aspect of atheism.

You CONSTANTLY misrepresent things, even though you've been told otherwise. Why is it that you can never make an argument on this forum without blatantly lying?

 

[Shad]

This is pure speculations based on skewed perceptions of how galaxies works. There is NO "black hole" in galaxies, just "funnels of formations" much like the holes in Hurricanes.

Actually the majority of astrophysics and astronomers follow the idea that there is a super massive black hole in the Milky Way Galaxy as the center mass based on the data we have. This idea is extrapolated into models of other galaxies.

Sagittarius A* - Wikipedia