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Proof for Freewill (and, thus, disproof of Atheism) is notion of "Today"

Skwim

Veteran Member
For any atheist a belief is hypothesis. Is it?
Well, a belief is an acceptance or confidence that something is true or exists, short of being a fact.

and a hypothesis is a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence and used as a starting point for further investigation.

So, no. A belief is not a hypothesis.

For the most part atheists aren't looking for evidence for the existence of god, nor are they using their disbelief to mount an investigation into his existence. In main, atheists are willing to look at any new evidence, but hesitantly so because there have been so many failures in the past and nothing has yet changed their minds.

But if you think you've got something, bring it on. :)

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Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
The Nature does not have Freewill, atheists do not believe in super-natural. Thus, in Freewill.

This statement is completely false! Freewill is neurologic based thus is a part of nature. There is nothing super-natural about it! How much of our behavior is really free will derived is being studied because it is a part of the brain which is a natural occurring thing. You must be aware that the brain is the source of our behavior or do you thing your brain also has a supernatural section that is undetectable?
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
This statement is completely false! Freewill is neurologic based thus is a part of nature. There is nothing super-natural about it! How much of our behavior is really free will derived is being studied because it is a part of the brain which is a natural occurring thing. You must be aware that the brain is the source of our behavior or do you thing your brain also has a supernatural section that is undetectable?
Humans have freewill, says atheist. Do humans have soul as well?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I am talking about freewill not in natural sense, in my mind the freewill is supernatural. This is supported by the proof for freewill in this thread.

Then we are not talking about the same thing and thus discussion is futile, as we will simply talk past eachother.


If you are going to make up your own definitions of words without warning, then that makes conversation impossible.

Furthermore, what you say makes no sense to me.
There is no reason why freewill should be viewed as something "supernatural".
 

gnostic

The Lost One
We got to know about the conservation of information from first hand by a physical problem. The problem was found by Dr. Steven Hawking and is called the "Information loss paradox in Black Holes". According to my own calculations, the Black Hole is indeed a hole in spacetime: the event horizon is the edge of our reality, and falling matter [including the related information] simply vanishes into the Absolute Nothing.

A black hole is “nothing”, questfortruth.

A black hole is a dead star that no longer fuse hydrogen nuclei into helium nuclei, or helium nuclei into heavier elements, where the star’s core stop process of stellar nucleosynthesis, and if the star’s core is massive and dense enough, it will cause the outer layer to collapse into the core, making it denser and even more massive.

And the more mass it have, the greater gravitational forces, strong enough that even light that pass through the event horizon, it cannot escape.

The core still exist, questfortruth, so your claim that there is “Absolute Nothing” is wrong.

If there is Absolute Nothing, then there won’t be any mass...and no mass will mean no gravitational forces.

You clearly don’t understand what a black hole is, otherwise you would make such illogical claims.

And as to the rest of your OP, what does black hole have to do with Shakespeare or with atheism or with free will?
 

gnostic

The Lost One
There can be curvature of spacetime in absence of the matter, would you like a link to viXra paper about it?
Your OP talked of blackholes, questfortruth, and blackholes are objects or matters in space, they have very high concentration of mass, therefore high gravitational fields and forces.

You had claimed that blackholes are “Absolute Nothing”, and that’s where you are wrong.

Blackholes are stars with cores that no longer fuse lighter elements into heavier elements, and that’s why there are no illumination because the stars’ surface and outer layer no longer in incandescent. And since the massive cores have extreme gravitational field, it cause the entire star’s to collapse on their high gravitational fields.

Blackholes can cause curvature of spacetime, because of their gravitational fields, and light will bend around the blackholes as long as the light don’t enter the event horizons.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Humans have freewill, says atheist. Do humans have soul as well?
I am not really sure what a soul is? We have the cumulative experiences and things we have learned that we Identify as us. Is that the soul and if it is then yes. Free will is a question of whether we make decisions ourselves or if our neuronal network reacts only because of what is stored in memory to produce what we think is free will. Either way it is located in the brain as demonstrated by a lesion in a part of the brain such as the ventral medial frontal cortex which cause what appears to be a problem with decision capability. If Free will existed outside of the brain then a lesion in the brain would be inconsequential. This has nothing to do with being atheist or theist.
 
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