Proof for Freewill (and, thus, disproof of Atheism) is notion of "Today"

[questfortruth]

Please show your calculations.

YOUR calculations? Sorry if that gives me a little chuckle.
Are you copy pasting this from somewhere?

Care to actually share these calculations?

You'll be lucky if he does.

I am sorry, I have really tried my luck [God's Name is Luck, satan's name is dis-luck], but the file was not accepted for publication in any of Master List journals. So, I have downloaded it into viXra non-moderated preprint service. Can I show you the link to viXra, or are you allergic to viXra, or are you convinced, that any single paper in viXra is wrong from first page to the end?

 

[questfortruth]

NOPE! And I've told you this NUMEROUS times. Atheism is ONLY a lack of any definite belief in any god or gods. It is NOT an affirmative statement that there are no gods.

QUOTE from WIkipedia:
Atheism is, in the broadest sense, an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

Explain the narrow and broad meaning of Atheism. Maybe they are one and the same in essence?

 

[ChristineM]

Atheists say, that due to the total lack of evidence, there can not be any god whats or ever. Otherwise it is Agnosticism.

I am sorry, I have really tried my luck [God's Name is Luck, satan's name is dis-luck], but the file was not accepted for publication in any of Master List journals. So, I have downloaded it into viXra non-moderated preprint service. Can I show you the link to viXra, or are you allergic to viXra, or are you convinced, that any single paper in viXra is wrong from first page to the end?

I am fairly sure the experts are more savvy than some unqualified guy.

Have you double checked your work to ensure you have the correct placement of the divide by zero operator?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The Nature does not have Freewill, atheists do not believe in super-natural. Thus, in Freewill.

Can you rephrase that so that it makes sense?
I also don't quite get what the point is of the capital letters.

What does freewill have to do with the supernatural?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Write me PM.

No, you can post it here, for all to see.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Atheists say, that due to the total lack of evidence, there can not be any god whats or ever.

No, that's not at all what "atheists say".

First of all, there is no "universal reason" for why someone might be an atheist. There's no "rulebook".
You are an atheist if you don't believe that a god exists - for whatever reason.

Sure, "no evidence to warrant belief" is a very common one.

Secondly, atheism is not the claim "there is no god".
Atheism is a position on the claim "there IS a god". And that position is "i don't believe that claim".

That's it.

Otherwise it is Agnosticism.

Not that again...

(a)theism pertains to belief in gods
(a)gnoticism pertains to knowledge.

They are different answers to different questions and not at all mutually exclusive. They deal with different subjects. If anything, the latter is, or can be, a qualifier of the first. But one will not exclude the other.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

QUOTE from WIkipedia:
Atheism is, in the broadest sense, an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

Explain the narrow and broad meaning of Atheism. Maybe they are one and the same in essence?

Curious how you wish to impose the most narrow definition of a word to the broadest application.

 

[questfortruth]

No, you can post it here, for all to see.

I am sorry, I have really tried my luck [God's Name is Luck, satan's name is dis-luck], but the file was not accepted for publication in any of Master List journals. So, I have downloaded it into viXra non-moderated preprint service. Can I show you the link to viXra, or are you allergic to viXra, or are you convinced, that any single paper in viXra is wrong from first page to the end?

 

[questfortruth]

Curious how you wish to impose the most narrow definition of a word to the broadest application.

I am making no sense of how unbeliever can talk about beliefs. So, the narrow definition of atheism is less bad.

 

[questfortruth]

No, that's not at all what "atheists say".

First of all, there is no "universal reason" for why someone might be an atheist. There's no "rulebook".
You are an atheist if you don't believe that a god exists - for whatever reason.

Sure, "no evidence to warrant belief" is a very common one.

Secondly, atheism is not the claim "there is no god".
Atheism is a position on the claim "there IS a god". And that position is "i don't believe that claim".

That's it.



Not that again...

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(a)theism pertains to belief in gods
(a)gnoticism pertains to knowledge.

They are different answers to different questions and not at all mutually exclusive. They deal with different subjects. If anything, the latter is, or can be, a qualifier of the first. But one will not exclude the other.

It is your own invention or some authority has taught you the atheism? Was it in the book of Richard Dawkins, I mean the origin of the idea, not a quote of previous thinker?

 

[questfortruth]

Can you rephrase that so that it makes sense?
I also don't quite get what the point is of the capital letters.

What does freewill have to do with the supernatural?

Define Freewill then. Define the Nature then. They are not the same. Freewill is not the component of Nature. I love German language, So I capitalize.

 

[QuestioningMind]

QUOTE from WIkipedia:
Atheism is, in the broadest sense, an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

Explain the narrow and broad meaning of Atheism. Maybe they are one and the same in essence?

In an even narrower sense,

Do you know what that means? It means that atheism is defined as the lack of belief in the existence of any deities. The NARROW definition means if you STRETCH the real definition of atheism you could say that since anyone who claims there definitely are no gods obviously ALSO lack any belief in any gods.

So thanks for pointing out that you've taken the real meaning of atheism and are trying to stretch it into meaning something it isn't. That's been my point the entire time.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am sorry, I have really tried my luck [God's Name is Luck, satan's name is dis-luck], but the file was not accepted for publication in any of Master List journals. So, I have downloaded it into viXra non-moderated preprint service. Can I show you the link to viXra, or are you allergic to viXra, or are you convinced, that any single paper in viXra is wrong from first page to the end?

You can attach documents to posts using the "upload a file" button.

Stop wasting our time, stop making excuses and just post it if you have it.
Or post a direct link to a PDF document for download or whatever.
Why is this so hard for you? I've seen at least 2 other people ask you to post your work here on several instances, so you have been asked at least 5 times now.

Why the delay? I don't know nore care what viXra is. What, you don't have a copy laying around of your own paper that you need to involve third parties into it? Do you know how unbelievable that sounds?

My guess is that you won't be posting it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am making no sense of how unbeliever can talk about beliefs. So, the narrow definition of atheism is less bad.

Every atheist here has told you that their atheism is defined by not believing the claim that a god exists.
All of them have told you that their atheism does NOT include the claim that gods do not exist.

What more do you need before you'll accept what people tell you that THEIR BELIEFS are all about?

Why do you try to pretend as if you know better then them what their beliefs?
Or are you trying to "make them" claim that gods don't exist, by making a semantic argument?

At the very least, you should be aware by now that just about every definition of the word "atheist" at least has the double meaning of on the one hand disbelief in the existance of god OR on the other hand claiming that no gods exist. ALL of us here are saying that we are atheists by the first definition. The decent thing to do is to accept that......

And also, do you know why the latter definition (the claim that no gods exist) also falls under atheism?

Because claiming that NO GODS exist, means that you disbelieve the claim that gods do exist

Think about it.. What do ALL possible definitions of "atheism", or ALL flavours of "atheism" have in common?

Well, ALL of them disbelieve the claim that a god exists.

That's the lowest common denominator.
"hard atheism" (=the claim that no gods exist), is a subset of atheism.

Just like YECism is a subset of theistic belief.
But theism is not YECism. YECism however is theism.

Do you get it now?

 

[Skwim]

QUOTE from WIkipedia:
Atheism is, in the broadest sense, an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

Explain the narrow and broad meaning of Atheism. Maybe they are one and the same in essence?

In the broadest sense---"I don't believe god exists" is a statement of belief.
In a narrower sense"---"I claim there are no gods" is a statement of knowledge.

From my experience, most thoughtful atheists don't believe there is a god, whereas less thoughtful atheists claim there is no god.

.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It is your own invention or some authority has taught you the atheism?

It's what the words mean.
(A)theism is about belief.
(a)gnosticism is about knowledge.

These are not the same thing.

Was it in the book of Richard Dawkins, I mean the origin of the idea, not a quote of previous thinker?

It's what the words mean.
Dawkins doesn't get to define words.

==> 2. disbelief in the existance of god

==> 2. uncertainty concerning "ultimate knowledge"

Hi, I'm an agnostic atheist.
I don't believe the claim that there is a god, and I affirm that we can't know for certain if there is a god or not.

Agnostic atheism.

It's not rocket science.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Define Freewill then

Errrr..... YOU brought it up in the OP. Why must *I* define the terms YOU are using???

But whatever....
I'ld say: the ability to make decisions freely and the ability to change your mind.

Define the Nature then

"the" nature? Strange wording.

I'ld say, in a nutshell, that nature is the collective of laws, processes, phenomenon,... that underpin reality.

They are not the same

I didn't claim they were. YOU are the one making claims here.

Freewill is not the component of Nature.

As the notion of freewill refers to processes in a human brain, I'ld say freewill is very much part of nature.

 

[questfortruth]

You can attach documents to posts using the "upload a file" button.

Stop wasting our time, stop making excuses and just post it if you have it.
Or post a direct link to a PDF document for download or whatever.
Why is this so hard for you? I've seen at least 2 other people ask you to post your work here on several instances, so you have been asked at least 5 times now.

Why the delay? I don't know nore care what viXra is. What, you don't have a copy laying around of your own paper that you need to involve third parties into it? Do you know how unbelievable that sounds?

My guess is that you won't be posting it.

Is Black Hole the hole?, viXra.org e-Print archive, viXra:1912.0376

 

[questfortruth]

As the notion of freewill refers to processes in a human brain, I'ld say freewill is very much part of nature.

I am talking about freewill not in natural sense, in my mind the freewill is supernatural. This is supported by the proof for freewill in this thread.

 

[questfortruth]

In the broadest sense---"I don't believe god exists" is a statement of belief.
In a narrower sense"---"I claim there are no gods" is a statement of knowledge.

From my experience, most thoughtful atheists don't believe there is a god, whereas less thoughtful atheists claim there is no god.

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For any atheist a belief is hypothesis. Is it?