yes
yes
they can do better
there are many ways to educate
my first suggestion is to focus on educating and running better campaigns rather than whining about religions
i do have a point - your failure to recognize it doesn't change that fact
religion can't be gay activists' crutch - they can educate and run a better campaign
so try something else
Focus on educating?
Like what?
Spell it out.
I've got one for you. How about working within your own church to have that abysmal essay written by James Faust removed from the official LDS website.
Whining about religion?
Religious organizations are the source of opposition to marriage equality. Have you missed the innumerable threads on this forum debating marriage equality and the constant opposition based on religious grounds. There sure isn't opposition based on non-religious grounds.
Shall we start pulling zippy's, madhatter's, Weddy's, idea's and numerous other member's posts arguing against marriage equality and evaluating them to see if they are religious?
You telling people to stop focusing on religion is essentially telling them to stop debating against the source of the opposition. Setting them up to lose.
How about if we start educating children about the natural aspect of human sexuality? Will you go for that?
I already told you your Church won't. Religious moderates like Johnny who supports marriage equality will not stand for it.
I don't know how many ways it can be stated that religion does play a part. Stating otherwise is just foolish.
Watchmen said:
I don't care what you say about my leaders. My point is it's not effective in the fight for equal rights.
Somebody has to speak out against your leaders if you won't. I can't believe you couldn't even recognize a quote taken directly from lds.org by James Faust that I posted.
I guess we need to drag Dallin Oaks statements about homosexuality out. Of course, his are not nearly as bad as Faust's.
NoahideHiker said:
While I'm not happy about the defeat it is California's business. I was disappointed when Ohio's efforts were turned down by the voters. But at the same time it is democracy in action. The issue was presented to the public (horribly and tragically corrupt on both sides) and the voters made the decision. Democracy works, period. It doesn't just work only when the outcome is what we want.
The U.S. is a republic. It's the job of the U.S. government to protect the rights of ALL citizens. California essentially had to insert language into it's Constitution by direct democracy (the same thing bankrupting the state) in order to ban gay marriage. In essence, by having to use the people to amend the state Constitution then the implication is that gay marriage was a right in that state in the eyes of the California Constitution. They had to use explicit language to clarify that.
It might have been the closest thing to a pure democracy at work but it sure was not up to the ideals this nation was founded on.
