Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

[Kodanshi]

it doesn't. are you saying it does?:areyoucra

So had that society followed the rules of western secularism and democracy, the same bad result would have happened? Which is what you’re implying by saying it’s a cultural–only thing…

 

[YmirGF]

So had that society followed the rules of western secularism and democracy, the same bad result would have happened? Which is what you’re implying by saying it’s a cultural–only thing…

Further to this, how many "culture only" examples do we need before we are allowed to ask, "Where the heck are these people getting these ideas?"

 

[kai]

Response: I see a statement. Where's the proof?

are you serious? How do you think Jerusalem became Muslim? or Istanbul for that matter how did that become Muslim?

 

[kai]

Further to this, how many "culture only" examples do we need before we are allowed to ask, "Where the heck are these people getting these ideas?"

Great question, can anyone answer that? Where are these people getting these ideas?

 

[England my lionheart]

Posted: 07 May 2008
Amnesty International has launched an urgent appeal for a university professor in Saudi Arabia who has been sentenced to 150 lashes and eight months' imprisonment for meeting a woman in a coffee shop.
Dr Muhammad 'Ali Abu Raziza, a psychology professor at the University of Um al-Qura in Mecca, is facing the punishment after being found guilty of the Shari'a law offence of 'khilwa' - being found alone in the company of a member of the opposite sex who is not an immediate relative.

There is absolutely no need for propaganda
It appears that Dr 'Ali Abu Raziza believed he was meeting one of his students when he met the woman in January or February this year; instead, he may have been the victim of entrapment by members of Saudi Arabia's feared religious police. The professor's case comes after other reports of customers in Saudi Arabia's coffee shops being detained and harshly treated by the religious police authorities for supposed 'moral' offences.

 

[England my lionheart]

The post above is namby pamby stuff compared to what Amnesty international have issues with,Human rights issues across the board,as i said there is no need to make things up,the truth is sufficient.

 

[ProudMuslim]

what can be concluded is that your argument is flawed because the figures you quoted are Islamic ,unless of course you show the same respect to Bahá'u'lláh or Joseph Smith.

You've got the "Muslim" part wrong, Kai. In Islam we recognize that Moses (PBUH) was given the Torah and had different Sharia Law (Halakah), we also realize that Jesus (PBUH) illustrated his message in the Gospels.

Muslim and Islam means submission to the will of God. We believe all Prophets and Messengers were Muslims. Therefore, when we refer to Moses and Jesus (PBUT) as "Muslims" the implication is that they all were given the same message which is the submission to the will of God, but not as they were followers of Muhammed (PBUH) and the Qur'an.

On a related note, in Islam we believe every human is born as "Muslim", we believe it is in our nature to be born fully submitted to the will of God. That's why when someone embraced Islam we call them reverts and not converts. You can also notice that there isn't any Islamic sacrament for new born or accepting new converts (e.g. baptism, bar/bat mitzvah, etc).

Anyway, i think the answer to your question Fatihah is obvious. We believe in Judaism and Christianity, while they don't believe in Islam.

 

[ProudMuslim]

I can give an analogy of the kind of respect Muslims afford to Christians.

Muslims, please imagine if someone who followed another god came to you and said: “I respect allah, he is one of the greatest prophets of the True Religion, but he was nevertheless a man. Arabs ended up deifying him and worshipping him as a god, but he is a great man.”

Would you call that ‘respect’?

As long as they have valid reasons for it and keep showing respect to Him that is fine to me. I have great respect for Bahais even though they don't consider prophet Muhammed (PBUH) the seal of the Prophets and believe Kitab Al Aqdas is the holiest book. But to each his own.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Maybe the fact that Muhammad massacred Jews, and not the other way around, has something to do with it.

Some Jews tried to kill Muhammed (PBUH) numerous times but they didn't succeed. Just because you fail at your plot does not make you innocent.

 

[Alla Prima]

If a christian were to ask muslims about their view of Jesus, the man who's teachings is the foundation of christianity according to christians, they would come to hear that muslims love and respect Jesus as much as they do. There are differences as to what he's said and done, but in the end, no muslim tries to defame Jesus.

If a jew were to ask muslims of their view of Moses, the man who's teachings is the foundation of Judaism, he/she would come to learn that the muslims love and respect Moses as well and never ever try to defame him.

But when the tables are turned and we ask the jews or christians their view of Muhammad, the same respect to Muhammad is practically never given. Hmmm?

The Western media portrays islam as anything but a religion of peace and that this can be found in the qur'an and sunnah. But if one were to ask for those references, they bring up afghanistan, pakistan, and other situations that happen within muslim countries. In other words, the request for proof from authentic sources is ignored. But when the muslim counters with the same logic and talks about the history and problems within the West, the muslims are accused of pointing the finger. Hmmm?

Questions are ignored and the respect to Muhammad is not given from the members of other religions, despite the fact that muslims give love and respect to their religious figures.

So what can be concluded from this? This is certainly some sort of propaganda against islam. But why is this propaganda necessary, especially if islam is alleged to be a flawed religion? Let's have a dialogue.

I have no respect for Muhammad nor his ideology whatsoever. I don't like his message, how he lived his life or how he treated people. He's a terrible example for people to follow. This is not the case with say Jesus or Buddha who were good examples.

 

[Alla Prima]

Here's an example of more propaganda against islam:

An example of muslim respect for other religions/cultures.

Your god condemns to hell idol worshipers. Buddhists are idol worshipers according to Islam. It is no wonder these Muslim creeps destroyed those Buddhas.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Your god condemns to hell idol worshipers. Buddhists are idol worshipers according to Islam. It is no wonder these Muslim creeps destroyed those Buddhas.

To Islam only? Jesus God and Moses God condemned to hell idol worshippers, didn't He? Check the bible for more information.

But we humans are not God, are we? He is the Judge and He can do whatever He wants with His creatures. We are not Gods.

That is the point.

 

[ProudMuslim]

I have no respect for Muhammad nor his ideology whatsoever. I don't like his message, how he lived his life or how he treated people. He's a terrible example for people to follow. This is not the case with say Jesus or Buddha who were good examples.

Oh ok. That was one of the most informative and convincing posts

 

[Fatihah]

The Taliban blew up some statues,how is this propaganda

Response: Is it in the qur'an? No. Is it in the sunnah? No. Is it even relevant to the topic of the thread? No. Therefore, it's a post intended to sidetrack the thread from the simple fact that you nor anyone else is capable of providing text from the qur'an or sunnah that shows that islam promotes unnecessary and injust acts of violence. So instead one must insist on talking about the Taliban in an effort to make it seem that it is from islam. Propaganda in it's full attire.

 

[YmirGF]

Response: Is it in the qur'an? No. Is it in the sunnah? No. Is it even relevant to the topic of the thread? No. Therefore, it's a post intended to sidetrack the thread from the simple fact that you nor anyone else is capable of providing text from the qur'an or sunnah that shows that islam promotes unnecessary and injust acts of violence. So instead one must insist on talking about the Taliban in an effort to make it seem that it is from islam. Propaganda in it's full attire.

I get it. So any act that cast Muslims in a negative light is obviously not true Islam, correct?

 

[Fatihah]

It does speak volumes, doesn't it.

This is what I meant earlier in my comment to Fatihah. Just let Muslims talk and the truth will become plain as day for all to see.

Response: Exactly. And in the process, we muslims encourage non-muslims like yourself to continue with your arguments against islam and from your posts alone, the truth will be clear to see.

 

[YmirGF]

Response: Exactly. And in the process, we muslims encourage non-muslims like yourself to continue with your arguments against islam and from your posts alone, the truth will be clear to see.

You are doing an impressive job so far, Fatihah.

 

[Fatihah]

are you serious? How do you think Jerusalem became Muslim? or Istanbul for that matter how did that become Muslim?

Response: Simple. When the people of those countries tried to attack the the muslims, the muslims defended themselves and gained control of their land.

 

[ProudMuslim]

are you serious? How do you think Jerusalem became Muslim? or Istanbul for that matter how did that become Muslim?

Are you for real telling us that Roman and Persian Empires were minding their own business and did not interfer in the Arabian Peninsula even before the birth of Islam??

 

[ProudMuslim]

I get it. So any act that cast Muslims in a negative light is obviously not true Islam, correct?

Negative light is subjective term. But yes Islam is perfect, Muslims are not. In many ways, Islam's worst enemy is Muslims.