Judgment
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no you've given me a post number, not the verses, i think you might have woken up too early
The post includes the verses.
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Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam
- Thread starter Fatihah
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The post includes the verses.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
ah, but you don't say which verses contradict. you've just posted some verses and thats it. how exactly do they contradict?
Judgment
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To debate is to discuss opposing viewpoints - we can be doing nothing other than debating.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
well thats why i asked. i wasn't sure.
Judgment
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Gharib
I want Khilafah back
thats a conversation between you and Fatihah, not you and me. i'm not Fatihah, just incase you missed that. i have my own questions or reasoning.
Judgment
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I did miss it .. thanks!
But - she did not disprove it.
she only offered another take on it. Neither scenario has been proven without a doubt - and neither scenario has been disproved without a doubt.
Judgment
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Gharib
I want Khilafah back
and you didn't answer me.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
ok, i'll post exactly the same thing from the very same writtings which are from the very same guy that "the idiot" has copied.
so by me dissproving it, what afterwards?
Judgment
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Judgment
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You can debate it with me.. but
If you can disprove it to Sina on the site I posted - you receive $50,000. No one has been able to to this point.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
Maria al-Qibtiyya
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Maria al-Qibtiyya (Arabic: مارية القبطية‎ (alternatively, "Maria Qupthiya"), or Maria the Copt, (died 637) was an Egyptian Coptic Christian slave who was sent as a gift from Muqawqis, a Byzantine official, to the Islamic prophet cPanel® in 628.[1] According to some Islamic accounts, she was Muhammad's wife, and therefore a "Mother of the Believers" (Arabic: Umm-al-Momineen), other sources like Ibnul Qayyim talk about her being only a concubine. She was the mother of Muhammad's son Ibrahim, who died in infancy. Her sister, cPanel®, was also sent to Muhammad; Muhammad gave her to his follower Hassan ibn Thabit.[2] Maria never remarried after Muhammad's death in 632, and died five years later. Her birthdate is unknown. No primary source mentions her age.
Year of the deputations
In the Islamic year 6 AH (627 – 628 CE), Muhammad is said to have written letters to the great rulers of the Middle East, proclaiming the new faith and inviting the rulers to join. What purport to be texts of some of the letters are found in Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari's History of the Prophets and Kings, which was written some 250 years after the events it chronicled. Tabari writes that a deputation was sent to an Egyptian governor named as al-Muqawqis. A note in the State University of New York edition of Tabari states that this seems to be a version of Cyrus of the Caucasus, who was the Byzantine Patriarch of Alexandria.[3] The note adds that Cyrus did not become Patriarch until 631, and that an account placing him in Egypt three or four years earlier is therefore questionable.
Tabari does, however, recount the story of Maria's arrival from Egypt:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/#searchInput
Maria al-Qibtiyya (Arabic: مارية القبطية‎
(alternatively, "Maria Qupthiya"), or Maria the Copt, (died 637) was an Egyptian Coptic Christian slave who was sent as a gift from Muqawqis, a Byzantine official, to the Islamic prophet cPanel® in 628.[1] According to some Islamic accounts, she was Muhammad's wife, and therefore a "Mother of the Believers" (Arabic: Umm-al-Momineen), other sources like Ibnul Qayyim talk about her being only a concubine. She was the mother of Muhammad's son Ibrahim, who died in infancy. Her sister, cPanel®, was also sent to Muhammad; Muhammad gave her to his follower Hassan ibn Thabit.[2] Maria never remarried after Muhammad's death in 632, and died five years later. Her birthdate is unknown. No primary source mentions her age.Year of the deputations
In the Islamic year 6 AH (627 – 628 CE), Muhammad is said to have written letters to the great rulers of the Middle East, proclaiming the new faith and inviting the rulers to join. What purport to be texts of some of the letters are found in Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari's History of the Prophets and Kings, which was written some 250 years after the events it chronicled. Tabari writes that a deputation was sent to an Egyptian governor named as al-Muqawqis. A note in the State University of New York edition of Tabari states that this seems to be a version of Cyrus of the Caucasus, who was the Byzantine Patriarch of Alexandria.[3] The note adds that Cyrus did not become Patriarch until 631, and that an account placing him in Egypt three or four years earlier is therefore questionable.
Tabari does, however, recount the story of Maria's arrival from Egypt:
In this year Hātib b. Abi Balta'ah came back from al-Muqawqis bringing Māriyah and her sister Sīrīn, his female mule Duldul, his donkey Ya'fūr, and sets of garments. With the two women al-Muqawqis had sent a eununch, and the latter stayed with them. Hātib had invited them to become Muslims before he arrived with them, and Māriyah and her sister did so. The Messenger of God lodged them with Umm Sulaym bt. Milhān. Māriyah was beautiful. The Prophet sent her sister Sīrīn to Hassān b. Thābit and she bore him 'Abd al-Rahmān b. Hassān.
Maria in Muhammad's household
Many Muslim sources say that Muhammad later freed and married Maria, but it is not clear if this is historical fact or historical apology. To further complicate matters, slaves were to be automatically freed upon conversion to Islam, so it is
not clear why Maria would have to be explicitly freed if she had already converted.
i told you that guy has twisted the truth, so here it is again. and just to clear things out for you and make them easy the red bits are the ones i would be encouraging you to look at, ok
totally dissrpoves that guys assertions, so where's my 50 grand?
Maria in Muhammad's household
Many Muslim sources say that Muhammad later freed and married Maria, but it is not clear if this is historical fact or historical apology. To further complicate matters, slaves were to be automatically freed upon conversion to Islam, so it is
not clear why Maria would have to be explicitly freed if she had already converted.
i told you that guy has twisted the truth, so here it is again. and just to clear things out for you and make them easy the red bits are the ones i would be encouraging you to look at, ok
totally dissrpoves that guys assertions, so where's my 50 grand?
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
i would gladly give him instead 50 grand and tell him to shove it.
Judgment
Active Member
Maria al-Qibtiyya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maria al-Qibtiyya (Arabic: مارية القبطية‎
Year of the deputations
In the Islamic year 6 AH (627 628 CE), Muhammad is said to have written letters to the great rulers of the Middle East, proclaiming the new faith and inviting the rulers to join. What purport to be texts of some of the letters are found in Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari's History of the Prophets and Kings, which was written some 250 years after the events it chronicled. Tabari writes that a deputation was sent to an Egyptian governor named as al-Muqawqis. A note in the State University of New York edition of Tabari states that this seems to be a version of Cyrus of the Caucasus, who was the Byzantine Patriarch of Alexandria.[3] The note adds that Cyrus did not become Patriarch until 631, and that an account placing him in Egypt three or four years earlier is therefore questionable.
Tabari does, however, recount the story of Maria's arrival from Egypt:
In this year Hātib b. Abi Balta'ah came back from al-Muqawqis bringing Māriyah and her sister Sīrīn, his female mule Duldul, his donkey Ya'fūr, and sets of garments. With the two women al-Muqawqis had sent a eununch, and the latter stayed with them. Hātib had invited them to become Muslims before he arrived with them, and Māriyah and her sister did so. The Messenger of God lodged them with Umm Sulaym bt. Milhān. Māriyah was beautiful. The Prophet sent her sister Sīrīn to Hassān b. Thābit and she bore him 'Abd al-Rahmān b. Hassān.
Maria in Muhammad's household
Many Muslim sources say that Muhammad later freed and married Maria, but it is not clear if this is historical fact or historical apology. To further complicate matters, slaves were to be automatically freed upon conversion to Islam, so it is
not clear why Maria would have to be explicitly freed if she had already converted.
i told you that guy has twisted the truth, so here it is again. and just to clear things out for you and make them easy the red bits are the ones i would be encouraging you to look at, ok
totally dissrpoves that guys assertions, so where's my 50 grand?
It does no such thing.
"According to some Islamic accounts, she was Muhammad's wife, and therefore a "Mother of the Believers" (Arabic: Umm-al-Momineen), other sources like Ibnul Qayyim talk about her being only a concubine."
"Many Muslim sources say that Muhammad later freed and married Maria, but it is not clear if this is historical fact or historical apology."
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
Originally Posted by Judgment
It does no such thing.
"According to some Islamic accounts, she was Muhammad's wife, and therefore a "Mother of the Believers" (Arabic: Umm-al-Momineen), other sources like Ibnul Qayyim talk about her being only a concubine."
"Many Muslim sources say that Muhammad later freed and married Maria, but it is not clear if this is historical fact or historical apology."
no, wrong heres what i should have posted instead or highlited;
"Hātib had invited them to become Muslims before he arrived with them, and Māriyah and her sister did so."
"slaves were to be automatically freed upon conversion to Islam, so it is
not clear why Maria would have to be explicitly freed if she had already converted."
see totally dissproves those accusations. she became a muslim, and she was not a slave when she went to Muhammed (saws). and BTW, it is against islam to have sex with someone before marriage, so this totally dissrpoves your and "the idiots" claims. now of course you will not accept that. just like veryone else. huh.
Response: According to your reasoning it is. The challenge of the qur'an is to prove whether a man can create a chapter like the qur'an. As for the analogy with Shakespeare, Shakespeare is a man. So that alone shows that Shakespeare's work is man made if Shakespeare created it.
Judgment
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You are completely ignoring certain words. There is no clarity.
"According to some Islamic accounts, she was Muhammad's wife, and therefore a "Mother of the Believers" (Arabic: Umm-al-Momineen), other sources like Ibnul Qayyim talk about her being only a concubine."
"Many Muslim sources say that Muhammad later freed and married Maria, but it is not clear if this is historical fact or historical apology."