Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

[ProudMuslim]

So you say God can do anything - including - have a son if he so wished.

But then you say - He can not have a Son ?

That means you are saying - God can not do anything. Are you not ? You are placing limitations on God ?

We never say God 'cannot' do anything. That is pure rubbish. We do say that God can do whatever He wills, He says "be and it will be".

I explained the meaning of each verse and not surprisingly you just ignored and post the same question as if nothing.

 

[Judgment]

We never say God 'cannot' do anything. That is pure rubbish. We do say that God can do whatever He wills, He says "be and it will be".

I explained the meaning of each verse and not surprisingly you just ignored and post the same question as if nothing.

Can God have a Son ?

 

[Fatihah]

Your interpretation is not correct. The word 'whosoever' is referring to people - to mankind.

Response: Those words "whosoever is referring to people-to mankind" is not in the text. Therefore, these are your own words.

Quote: Judgement
If Allah only forgives under certain conditions - then - Allah is 'not' all forgiving.

Response: How so?

Quote: Judgement


Another who says my argument has changed. It has never changed. The second verse is clearly stating he can not have a child. The first that he can.

39:4
If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created.

6:100-1Yet they ... impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him. ... The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child?


Response: If you say so.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Can God have a Son ?

Goodness gracious, what answer will satisfy you?

God can do whatever He wills, there is nothing impossible to Him.So is your next question, Can God become human? the answer will be: God can do whatever He wills, there is nothing impossible to Him.
God does not have a son or become human because that will defeat the call to the Oneness of God, will humanize God and will Him comparable and maybe equal to humans.

 

[YmirGF]

...because that will defeat the call to the Oneness of God, will humanize God and will Him comparable and maybe equal to humans.

Heaven forbid, eh. *giggle*

On second thought, if god came in the form of a human animal, why exactly would He then be equal to other human animals? He would still be god, only in the guise of a human animal. Is this difficult to comprehend? Does god have to abide by your definitions of what He/she/it can or cannot be? Such arrogance in a wee human animal is amusing.

 

[kai]

Goodness gracious, what answer will satisfy you?

the only one that you could possibly give honestly "Yes"
God can do whatever He wills, there is nothing impossible to Him.So is your next question, Can God become human? the answer will be: God can do whatever He wills, there is nothing impossible to Him. "yes " again

God does not have a son or become human because that will defeat the call to the Oneness of God, will humanize God and will Him comparable and maybe equal to humans.

but you said god can do anything , if wanted to see what it was like to be a human nothing could stop him, but he would never be "just" human or comparable to human or equal to human he is god and if you say he can do anything ,well then he can do anything.

 

[YmirGF]

Umm no, there is nothing greater than Him.

But from your (you and other athiests) questions i am getting to see how you percieve 'God'. You really need to take the "human" part of it and remember He is the Creator, that we and Him are incomparable, at least to understand our replies.

ProudMuslim, this will probably come as a bit of a shock to you but I am only an atheist in the sense that I utterly and somewhat contemptuously reject all god-concepts currently available on this highly amusing, but very small planet. In your terms, it is not inaccurate to say I believe in "god", it's just that what I perceive is like nothing you are currently able to understand. If you could understand it, you would no longer be a Muslim. I just wanted to set the record straight for you.

 

[Gharib]

wow, so much ignorance, and some of you are actually proud of it.

 

[Judgment]

Your interpretation is not correct. The word 'whosoever' is referring to people - to mankind.

Response: Those words "whosoever is referring to people-to mankind" is not in the text. Therefore, these are your own words.

Quote: Judgement
If Allah only forgives under certain conditions - then - Allah is 'not' all forgiving.

Response: How so?

Quote: Judgement


Another who says my argument has changed. It has never changed. The second verse is clearly stating he can not have a child. The first that he can.

39:4
If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created.

6:100-1Yet they ... impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him. ... The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child?


Response: If you say so.

Response: Those words "whosoever is referring to people-to mankind" is not in the text. Therefore, these are your own words.

Not the words - the word... 'Whosoever'. That word literally means people. You said this verse is not referring to mankind.. when it is.

30:26
Unto Him belongeth whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. All are obedient unto Him.

Response: How so?

If you believe - but keep changing your mind - Allah no longer forgives. He can not be 'All Forgiving' then.

4:137Those who believe, then disbelieve and then (again) believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them.

 

[Judgment]

Goodness gracious, what answer will satisfy you?

God can do whatever He wills, there is nothing impossible to Him.So is your next question, Can God become human? the answer will be: God can do whatever He wills, there is nothing impossible to Him.
God does not have a son or become human because that will defeat the call to the Oneness of God, will humanize God and will Him comparable and maybe equal to humans.

The verses do not say what you say. Is this your own understanding ?

The second verse states that he can not have a child because there is no wife for Him.

6:100 Yet they ascribe as partners unto Him the jinn, although He did create them, and impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him. Glorified be He and High Exalted above (all) that they ascribe (unto Him).

6:101 The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things ?

 

[YmirGF]

wow, so much ignorance, and some of you are actually proud of it.

Yes indeed, so many Muslims have an almost undying need to demonstrate theirs, such as yourself.

 

[Gharib]

Yes indeed, so many Muslims have an almost undying need to demonstrate theirs, such as yourself.

wow, someone was hidding a fly underneath their hat.
whats wrong YmirGF?
why are you insulting me like that?
i never said anything about you?
did i?

 

[Fatihah]

Even the modern countries of today could not deny the miraculous strength of islam. Why else would non-muslims begin to govern with laws not based on religion? Throughout history this was the procedure until recently. Why? Because even they realized the miracle of the qur'an. If they dared try to rule a country with a religion other than Allah's, it would fail.

 

[McBell]

wow, so much ignorance, and some of you are actually proud of it.

 

[Gharib]

lol

he took the bait.

 

[McBell]

Even the modern countries of today could not deny the miraculous strength of islam. Why else would non-muslims begin to govern with laws not based on religion? Throughout history this was the procedure until recently. Why? Because even they realized the miracle of the qur'an. If they dared try to rule a country with a religion other than Allah's, it would fail.

 

[Gharib]

once was enough, you blew it with the second time

 

[McBell]

once was enough, you blew it with the second time

What are you talking about?

Are you meaning me?
I posted the irony meter in hopes that it would help you recognize your hypocrisy.
Guess not.

I posted the BS Meter because the post quoted is nothing but a bunch of BS.


Unfortunately, you cannot/will not understand.

Though I suppose it is possible that you deserve an academy award for your part played thus far on RF...

 

[YmirGF]

Even the modern countries of today could not deny the miraculous strength of islam. Why else would non-muslims begin to govern with laws not based on religion? Throughout history this was the procedure until recently. Why? Because even they realized the miracle of the qur'an. If they dared try to rule a country with a religion other than Allah's, it would fail.

Now that is one of the most hilarious statements I have read, to date, in all of your posts. I might just nominate you and Eselam for the RF Humour award.

 

[Gharib]

What are you talking about?

Are you meaning me?
I posted the irony meter in hopes that it would help you recognize your hypocrisy.
Guess not.

I posted the BS Meter because the post quoted is nothing but a bunch of BS.


Unfortunately, you cannot/will not understand.

Though I suppose it is possible that you deserve an academy award for your part played thus far on RF...

i'll be sure to mentione you while i'm receiving the award, what ever it may be. i could not have done it without you. i love you Mestemia (not in a gay way)