Prophecies Jesus failed to fulfill?

[rational experiences]

If a human was standing where sin sink hole opened you'd be dead.

If hot gas was coming out of the ground state fusion...waters heavenly mass exists already above ground....would contradict it. As water in the rock as stated would heat up itself. Hot water cold water ..
human safe until ground gives way.

Why humanity really wasn't aware of how or why a human by inference was referenced as being involved in stopping or preventing sin...new sin by man of science. Man of science said I caused it myself by continuing to unnaturally convert earths mass.

So I legally said any term given holy was legal not allowed to change it.

So the teaching said hot God earth mass in vacuum void produced water vapour and it helped seal earth into substance rock.

Rock in a womb..empty only.

Science said water was trapped inside of fusion. To seal substance as rock.

Knew it was.

Said why God as rock in vacuum wasn't anything like the Dust mass.

Reason why it was said. As conscious spiritual man by hurt mind brain prickled causes was the first theist man ....as sciences inventor.

When his brain state returned healed he personally understood how many false statements he personally had made. Not correct theories as science of man was wrong. Proven.

The teaching. I never listened to the advice father of science again as my corrupt thinking as informed was by my father's memories. Psychic use stated one word one meaning it's word.

Not thesis as use of multi just humans fake words not ever about the one subject natural body.

What I confessed I never followed as my naturals father spiritual mind awareness.

Maths proved I knew how to convert dust substances. Maths.

 

[wizanda]

You haven't offered any credible explanation as to how supernatural prophecy is possible at all

OK lets deal with the basics first: We're inside what is like a Universal Super Computer, where the Source of reality is like a Universal Central Processor (CPU).

The Bible refers to the Source of reality as El Elyon, and literally says it manifests us (Deuteronomy 32:18).

Thus because infinity is a mathematical construct, where linear time exists inside that; time is already known until the end, therefore everything that will happen, has already been recorded in infinity.

Now you're doing what the gospel authors were doing, trying to sound better by wreathing OT allusions into your narrative.

If you read Deuteronomy 28, you'd know it was stated in advanced what would happen, and has happened.

Where's the part where it says, "but don't worry, folks, ain't going to happen for another three thousand years"?

It is stated in Daniel 12:11 that from the Abomination of Desolation there is a long period of time set, and in the timeline set by Deuteronomy 28-30 is a long period of time set...

There are ongoing prophecies stipulated, and you're missing them all out to make your case there is no evidence.

I'd go into a lot more detail of where the prophetic timelines show this, yet I'd say you're not actually reading the scriptures presented, and sorry to say, yet it appears you have already made your mind up without evidence.

pretending the "Suffering Servant" stories in Isaiah refer to Jesus.

In Psalms 89:19-21 David is appointed as the 'My Servant', and then multiple keywords in that passage are then paraphrased by Isaiah 52:10-14; showing that the 'My Servant' specifically stated by Isaiah, is referring to a reincarnation of King David coming as 'Yeshua the Divine Being'.

The point is that Jesus was unrecognizable as a messiah to the mainstream Jew

You keep repeating something that I've already said isn't logical; the scripture show the Messiah came to destroy them, because their religious leaders had lead them to no longer follow what was required.

Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher in an apocalyptic age.

You make all these sweeping statements like you have the answers, and yet your knowledge of what is prophesied is lousy.

The Suffering Servant is the nation of Israel. If you're in any doubt, ask your Jewish friends

The Rabbinic Rebels have been lead by the Rabbis to be anti-Judaism; as the Messiah is King David, who was reincarnated as Yehoshua/Yeshua to fulfil specific prophecy, and then the Pharisees made up Christianity messing the whole thing up.

And still just your silence on why God's messiah would bring about two thousand years of ─ let me say it yet again ─ rapacious and murderous antisemitism as [his] gift to [his] Chosen People.

I've answered with a vast amount of scripture showing this is what was prophesied multiple times, and you're don't seem to be paying attention to what is stated.

It is also stated because the Rabbis will lie to the people telling them that they have peace, where they weren't put under the Curse, soon all of them will be incinerated (Deuteronomy 29:19-27), and God will keep those who respected what was prophesied about the Messiah.

The Curse also states that those who are under it (Rabbinic-Jews) will be blinded to seeing what is happening (Deuteronomy 28:28-29, Zechariah 12:4) before their imminent destruction.

In my opinion.

 

[blü 2]

OK lets deal with the basics first: We're inside what is like a Universal Super Computer, where the Source of reality is like a Universal Central Processor (CPU).

Okay, let's deal with the basics first. Reasoned skeptical enquiry into objective reality is always a work in progress, but as at 2022 it doesn't pretend to know where the universe came from. There is evidence of the Big Bang, not least from the cosmic microwave background, but the James Webb telescope reportedly already has some readings that may (or of course may not) require revision to the standing theories. As for where matter-energy came from, that may or may not be answerable when we have a better understanding of time.

How does your Universal Super Computer define time? What do its makers purport to know about time that we presently don't, and on what evidence do they reach their conclusions?

Thus because infinity is a mathematical construct, where linear time exists inside that

No, that won't do. It makes no sense, for a start. Infinity is indeed a concept from mathematics, but it's not a number. It's simply a word for the unbounded nature of the number line. Time being a property of objective reality, the two don't intersect.

time is already known until the end, therefore everything that will happen, has already been recorded in infinity.

So you back the horses with a 100% perfect record and are extremely rich, right? Congratulations. When you have enough money, I trust you'll write a paper to scientific standards and have it published in, say, Nature, and you could add a Nobel Prize to your winnings.

You keep repeating something that I've already said isn't logical; the scripture show the Messiah came to destroy them, because their religious leaders had lead them to no longer follow what was required.

So God sent Jesus to Earth ensuring that the Jews couldn't recognize him as a divine messenger, in order to destroy [his] own Chosen People, with whom [he]'d made the Covenant? The old dude isn't thinking clearly, is [he].

And as I said, [he]'s put the Muslims into possession of all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, so clearly the Christians are safe, since they're NOT the Chosen People.

I've answered with a vast amount of scripture showing this is what was prophesied multiple times, and you're don't seem to be paying attention to what is stated.

You must have missed the part where I pointed out that the number of meaningful and successful prophecies is exactly NIL ─ and indeed outlined the tests they all fail.

So we're here. You say that God sent Jesus to destroy [his] Chosen People the Jews. I've pointed out that the Muslims must be [his] Chosen People and [he]'s given them the land to prove it. The Christians are the cannibals you've mentioned, with their gory Eucharist.

Well, in a free country I guess you can believe what you like.

My own view, that this is extremely weird, is something which out of politeness I won't mention.

 

[wizanda]

How does your Universal Super Computer define time? What do its makers purport to know about time that we presently don't, and on what evidence do they reach their conclusions?

In my understanding from my Near Death Experience, time is a mathematical process inside a Universal Super Computer - So everything is maths.

I understand the 10 commandments to be dimensional quantum physics; where Dr Michio Kaku said similar, “The mind of God we believe is cosmic music, the music of strings resonating through 11 dimensional hyperspace. That is the mind of God.”

Time being a property of objective reality, the two don't intersect.

When our whole reality is maths, then everything can be quantified.

So God sent Jesus to Earth ensuring that the Jews couldn't recognize him as a divine messenger, in order to destroy [his] own Chosen People, with whom [he]'d made the Covenant?

We've already discussed we can show that many of the common people accepted Yeshua; it was the rich leaders who rejected him, and since then they've got the people to reject him also.

In Zechariah 11:10 Yeshua (the spirit of the Lord - YHVH) came to end the Abrahamic Covenant as their leaders rejected him, and in Zechariah 11:12-14 when they paid 30 pieces of silver, they paid for their own Bill of Divorce - ending the Sinai Covenant.

The original followers of Yeshua were real Jews, and were called the Ebionites (Poor Ones) who accepted the prophecies happening (Zechariah 11:11)... The Rabbinic Rebels according to prophecy are not Jews.

Yeshua came to divorce them, so then they made up Christianity through the Pharisaic writers John, Paul, and Simon the stumbling stone (petros).

And as I said, [he]'s put the Muslims into possession of all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, so clearly the Christians are safe, since they're NOT the Chosen People.

The true Muslims who read all the religious texts, respect the Messiah, and doctrine, were given a blessing above the others; yet Muhammadans who don't actually study all the texts, are counted unworthy according to the Quran (4:150-151).

Yet when you call them 'Chosen People', we need to understand the people of the book were prophesied to suffer many things, and after all of it is finished, those who survive all the tests, will be brought through into the Messianic Age.

So we're here. You say that God sent Jesus to destroy [his] Chosen People the Jews. I've pointed out that the Muslims must be [his] Chosen People and [he]'s given them the land to prove it. The Christians are the cannibals you've mentioned, with their gory Eucharist.

That 'here' is an under statement: Yeshua came to divorce the Rabbinic Rebels, placing the Curse of Moses on them, and then allowed them to set up the Gentiles, by creating Christianity to be Vampirism.

Then the Quran tried to rectify some of the situation, and yet that understanding to read all the world's religious texts, was also corrupted.

Then when we get to Judgement Day, those who've studied, and understood what is required, they are the "Chosen People".

In my opinion.

 

[syo]

AFAIK Jesus never failed a prophecy.

 

[rational experiences]

The earth mass is inside by mass it's portion of contained space pressures.

To be held.

As stretched increased heated cooling space cooled then contracted.

Having nothing to do with any other one body type. No machine no computer.

It was attacked by the sun. Which in law natural changed natural space law historic. No machine no computer.

So we aren't.

We live inside a gas mass that bodily by gas mass burning held pulled up cooled stretched water mass. Our water oxygenated living place is why we live.

Men coercive lie. As a thinker they want advice to copy to exist in laws before they use a computer.

Reality they want a new resource thesis to exactly correspond to computer programming. As they always falsify by want and greed.

So between machines it can be atmospheric relayed. To a new machine. Only based on old man's sciences and what they were choosing.

And studies transmit back via out of space via their satellite. Another new machine. New being their new idea.

Satellite not mass.

Man's machines.

So he bases his wants on his machines status only. And not reality.

Why they tried to convince us electricity which in created form is as itself by itself. Be inside biology. Anyone electrocuted would disagree.

As they own a mind contact psyche coercion by transmitter speaking voice program. Knowing it was happening on mind of humans.

So they want humans to be god.
Conscious they claim is God.
Words ours to be gods.
Instructions details to be god in science.
And God to be a mass of just transmitters first.

Yet mass doesn't own any transmitter.

Dusts causes had. Change.

Therefore father said. As the heavens mass existed before any human.

When just men built machines to transmit they included life to be changed. Their choice...no machine in any law.

As the state exists caused heavenly is in fact before life.

Humans consciousness tells us the exact advice I'm advised.

So no it's not any computer. You caused causes. At science is by human men only.

You never owned history law of natural evolution in cosmos.

 

[rational experiences]

In a humans life legality said by humans on behalf of life on earth.

Entity in law had to be given legal rights. Named it gods terms. Holy not allowed to be changed.

A human says two human parents existed.

In legal that status is stated legally.

Two humans not our lifes ever. Lived.

Human just a man.... a scientist says on the microbial level our lives began.

Sperm. Ovary. Babies. Legal status of humans life. Holy baby human rights. Not ever first two human parents legal status their life.

Our legal status is human baby only.

Before a human isn't any human. Legal also. So there is no theist human in legal advice.

No theist no science terms either.

Men legally said God the entity story was only about when living humans theoried not being the human first. As a humans evil thought.

Built technology then went about destroying life on earth.

Is the humans legal position.

Proven by men witnessed science caused opened sink holes. Men attacked by causes heavens the animal life in phenomena status. Same as humans.

Set alight combusted nature.

As oxygenated water is where we live.

Oxygen is combustible.

If you do science it's systems status is when biology wasn't living. Meaning non oxygenated water.

To cause that position in science is to burn out oxygen. By invention of a practiced converting thesis. Invented outcome.

Pretty basic reason to say science is a criminal act only chosen by sick mind changed mens old mind who agreed on the principles of it.

 

[blü 2]

In my understanding from my Near Death Experience, time is a mathematical process inside a Universal Super Computer - So everything is maths.

But maths is purely conceptual, has no objective existence. Mathematical concepts may be handy in making a map of physics, but with maths, the map is not real and the territory is ─ so in this case the map can't be the territory.

I understand the 10 commandments to be dimensional quantum physics; where Dr Michio Kaku said similar, “The mind of God we believe is cosmic music, the music of strings resonating through 11 dimensional hyperspace. That is the mind of God.”

The Ten Commandments are, by modern standards, some of the sloppiest draftsmanship you'll find. No music there at all, actual or metaphorical.

We've already discussed we can show that many of the common people accepted Yeshua

No, a handful of the common people became followers. There's not the slightest evidence that they were numerous, or that the Jerusalem crowds described in the bible have the slightest historical basis ─ otherwise someone at the time would have noticed.

it was the rich leaders who rejected him, and since then they've got the people to reject him also.

There's no evidence that they ever noticed Jesus. What may be true is that Jesus was summarily brought before Pilate on a charge of saying he was king of the Jews, and condemned to death by crucifixion on the spot, the usual Roman way of dealing with challenges to authority.

Yet when you call them 'Chosen People', we need to understand the people of the book were prophesied to suffer many things, and after all of it is finished, those who survive all the tests, will be brought through into the Messianic Age.

The messianic age is unambiguously running 2000 years late. The promised Apocalypse was a no-show

That 'here' is an under statement: Yeshua came to divorce the Rabbinic Rebels, placing the Curse of Moses on them, and then allowed them to set up the Gentiles, by creating Christianity to be Vampirism.

The last five words seem right. Revolting, isn't it. And I remember one day shortly before an Easter, arriving early for a lunch appointment and filling time by walking round an old church nearby. They had the Seven Stations of the Cross represented by paintings and hung on the walls, a feast of sadomasochistic violence, agony and buckets of blood. That too I found revolting.

Anyway, this is getting repetitious and dull, so I'll leave you do it now. Have fun.

 

[wizanda]

But maths is purely conceptual, has no objective existence.

Maths is objectively quantifiable that is the whole point, else we couldn't equate it adds up between us.

Mathematical concepts may be handy in making a map of physics, but with maths, the map is not real and the territory is ─ so in this case the map can't be the territory.

Nice attempt at analogies; problem is with atomic mathematics, we can use the formuli to create new parts of the map (Periodic Table).

The Ten Commandments are, by modern standards, some of the sloppiest draftsmanship you'll find.

I agree Moses's rendition of them is too structured, and not flowing enough; which is where I've wrote them more poetically.

otherwise someone at the time would have noticed.

People did notice there was a following of Yeshua, Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, etc... Plus all the Gospel writers included there were thousands of people came to listen to Yeshua.

I see where you think maths isn't objective, as it seems you keep making up the numbers repeatedly.

What may be true is that Jesus was summarily brought before Pilate on a charge of saying he was king of the Jews, and condemned to death by crucifixion on the spot, the usual Roman way of dealing with challenges to authority.

So you're going to now rewrite all the documentation saying it was the Sanhedrin who handed him over to Pilate.

The messianic age is unambiguously running 2000 years late. The promised Apocalypse was a no-show

The whole of the Bible shows a timeline, which was that the Messiah would come, be cut off, but not of his own doing (Daniel 9:26); then there would be a long period of time, of the fake Metal Empire, and destruction (Time of the Gentiles), then comes the Great Tribulation, and after the resurrection.

It appears you've made up your own timeline, and numbers of people who accepted Yeshua contrary to the texts, and then you stick with your previous faulty workings.

In my opinion.

 

[1213]

Because we know what he's meant to do because the Tanakh literally tells us...

Yes, and I think Jesus did as told and fulfills this:

I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him.
Deu. 18:18

 

[rational experiences]

End of time.

O a clock. 12 it ends 12 it ends.

How to calculate a clock.

Time and light.

Light gas burning is not our experience. Living in oxygenated water.

Living with light is our human experience 12 hours then it ends.

Twelve.

Twelve apostles with sacrificed body.

As in fact the sun Sacrificed gods inheritor the saviour cooling. It was inherited as the clear non burning spirit gas. Body Immaculate.

No light stated....as science said law it is only the immaculate. As no light was gas spirit.

God first was rock. Is not identified by science as non alight. It's rock.

Theists were told you cannot argue about it. Law is law.

To command meant men tried to tell created creation what to do. Against its natural laws.

Not a man.

A teaching of a human experience

Reasons why a baby born only because DNA genesis returned bodily humans had healed. As heavens cooled it's mass bodily had returned.

Holy ox..Christ symbol could regenerate the holy body oxygen.

Holy ox symbolised the regeneration of humans healthier bio cells.

Then science temple technology supported by Herod had sided with Rome than take Jewish advice.

He was hence a Judas. Judas named. Against his own holy king of his land.

 

[blü 2]

Maths is objectively quantifiable that is the whole point, else we couldn't equate it adds up between us.

Nice attempt at analogies; problem is with atomic mathematics, we can use the formuli to create new parts of the map (Periodic Table).

Yes, and when they don't work, does the maths win, or the physics?

Or to put that another way, how many uninstantiated twos have you seen running around in the wild?

Apparently it hasn't occurred to you that there can't even be a count if no human is present to decide the SUBJECT of the count and the FIELD in which the count is to take place ─ that when there are no more humans, there'll be no more maths?

 

[wizanda]

Yes, and when they don't work, does the maths win, or the physics?

If our whole reality can be proven to be mathematically formulated, it is the maths that creates the physics, and then we've created mechanisms to understand these formuli that exist.

that when there are no more humans, there'll be no more maths?

Maths exists without us needing to quantify it.

In my opinion.

 

[blü 2]

If our whole reality can be proven to be mathematically formulated, it is the maths that creates the physics, and then we've created mechanisms to understand these formuli that exist.

And how do you plan to demonstrate that the universe is "mathematically formulated"? What does that even mean? That we can use maths to make models of how physics works? As I told you, the map is not the territory. Mathematical Platonism is dreamy nonsense, Roger Penrose notwithstanding.

Maths exists without us needing to quantify it.

Post a photo of that uninstantiated 2 you found, then.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It does not matter. Even if I grant that to you it is still a failed prophecy. In fact the prophecy: "You will see some bad times in your future" is so vague as to be worthless. You are ignoring the important part of the failed prophecy of Matthew 16 27-28. Jesus was supposed to come back. They were supposed to see Jesus coming back for those days. It is rather funny, but I don't remember Jesus coming back in 70 CE, which Roman newspaper covered that story?

He did come back. And he's still here, just not in body. But that was specifically speaking of him coming to judge Jerusalem.
And you think I'm the one to take the Bible too literally.

 

[rational experiences]

Man's position. O on earth conscious aware of space changes just on earth.

As human consciousness biology is no where else.

As the sophist man dies had did and still does coerce stories about space... as it is only coercion. Depends on his group human behaviour support.

Beliefs involve humans owned unnatural behaviour aligned to life in civilisation only. King lord rich man lying.

For lifestyle is not fact of life.

A human cannot discuss a sacrificed human unless they were born by human parent sex. Is living changed in sin of sex Inherited life. Is seen.

The exact place a so called intelligent human aware makes the human type a changed human their subject.

So it doesn't pre exist.... a hurt human.

Memory today however says yes it has human hurt had pre existed before.

Science using consciousness then says I compare I own proof now how dangerous life on earth is. As baby life is still being born sacrificed.

As machine above hadn't left earth yet. Conjured. As a machine is a conjured physically produced body manually first by just humans.

Mass isn't a machine.

So man says the alien designer built it above in space law. Yet man scientists conjured the alien and machine.

Legal status proven.

Proven because man used machine and is human leader of the machine.

Designed it. Built it. Ours thought physical action human used to operate it. Man confessed I act like I'm a bio machine possessed.

Realised... yes you are.

Old man's first life spiritual. Like first natural father but theoried for machines. Not just for human babies as parents had...life.

Words his said were to invent science only.

Science attacks biology. Why would man who survived think his words spiritual said had kept him safe from science? An attack. Phenomena.

As words we said in the healthy life mind...no phenomena existed then. First. Natural atmospheric body kept him safe.

Why he believed in natural words first as holy words to change speak save us. As natural saved him also. In the same circumstance.

As bio life hadn't stopped being upper atmospheric caused attacked. Now. Not gone predicted 2012 vacuum moment not allowed to occur.

So image. Sun is burning. Seen as sun.
Image. Cold planet mass.

What law keeps us safe? Bodies vastly different. In image.

Space exactly. Womb law only.

No image in space just darkness keeps us safe.

Immaculate clear in darkness as we live inside spirit protection the law. Isn't space itself. It's what position bio life said kept us safe. Aware.

Law known. Advice owned. No reflection no metal no mass just space.

As only mass reflects. Reflects and gives image.

Humans once was not involved in reflection. Attacked changed body and mind known. As we aren't mass. Told. Aware. Taught.

So virtual reality.

Man thinks of first machines body. By law it is in deep space pressures Inside rock at position melt cooled seam metal.

He designs. As man.

Phenomena. Spirit unnaturally by phenomena arises out of earths mass enters inside machine. Position exact phenomena caused by human Theist about sealed earth mass natural.

No machine above first.

By human causes.

Now does a machine get recorded in image as you man use it?

Yes animate or inanimate records the same. Above us. Clouds. Clouds flood to cool below falling burning gases.

As below the mountain mass ground sin hole opened. So clouds came to face mass mountain first covers veils hides face. Law flood kept biology alive. On ground.

A teaching a new law. As the machine above hadn't left. Flooding clouds is part of life's sanctity now... taught men in humans sciences.

Never change cloud mass again.

So today men daily change cloud mass. Seen as Chem trails.

Straight away you realise why life biology was hurt. Men of science using machines had always caused it.

Some countries in natural laws owned no clouds. The law. Exact.

So phenomena above forms an unnatural machines manifestation out of same above ground mass dusts. That just humans turned into all parts as the machine.

As above so below.

Man caused phenomena. Satanists. Holy brother learnt why his human brother a satanist machine builder manifested phenomena.

As no man is God.

The virtual reality cause. By man human the designer of causes.

The status says it's already science caused. The law natural is trying to keep life on earth saved. Space. Science is not only trying to keep it held above and not released...it wants it held to grounds mass too.

New machine. New machine has already arisen above out of history law ancient space pressure law history cooled. Been sacrificed mass body gases again by men. Given water oxygenated to make it be body machine.

You are as humans consummate liars in science.

Mass first asteroid burning Satan star. Face earth it's cause to manifest clouds...why Satan was the body from out of space first. Was never heavens blue sky gases. Natural light.

Taken from its position to cool earths above body. Was position where man theoried mass to build machine by awareness.

Why a sun mass machine by cloud image first manifested. Then mass emerged then mass converts machine leaves.

Historic man's advised machines position above design only beginning is man's machine theories end last position. Manifested mass falls next.

Destruction sacrifice of life on earth by sun alien manifested machine.

Human science Satanists manifested.

As it's true they did cause its presence.

Their machine began overheating it's mass. Began to reproduce a burning machine image above out of dusts mass also. Held above in hell in space only.

How an alien designed human man caused image was out inside a non existing machine. That human men conjured by building it first.

How a gods heaven machine came burning out of earths heavens killing life on earth. Witnessed stories past were then remembered when biologies conscious human life healed memory had returned.

The storyteller only a human theist.

 

[rational experiences]

The theme my machine natural sun earth mass shifted a space dimension.

Re entered above killed us.

As it had. As he took the same earth mass virtually destroying his machines position constantly

Until his machine removed earths cooled dust sun mass earth mass ...so mass opened into more space.

What he identified with as a human only.

As below it did above.

Not really a space dimension mass shift.

In natural space law causes of changing earth mass only.

His psyche possessed by the wisdom how to cause it himself by invention only.

 

[wizanda]

And how do you plan to demonstrate that the universe is "mathematically formulated"?

The Periodic Table shows us that the material of the universe at an atomic level, all uses mathematical construction.

Then we can also show that the Fibonacci Sequence is within every aspect of reality, from a finger print, snail shell, ocean wave, to a galaxy spiral.

That we can use maths to make models of how physics works?

We do this already, we will design vehicles using the mathematics of aerodynamics, and then test them in a wind tunnel after, to see if the maths adds up.

We also design new plastics, and elements using atomic mathematics, and then the materials will have additional functionality, where we've added it using mathematical principle.

Post a photo of that uninstantiated 2 you found, then.

We didn't make the numbers up on how things interact; the amount of things existed, then we create a values to apply to them, then we used those values to calculate them.

In my opinion.

 

[blü 2]

The Periodic Table shows us that the material of the universe at an atomic level, all uses mathematical construction.

No, it doesn't. It shows you that because of the physical qualities of the elements it's possible to line them out in a manner convenient to human viewers, and to label their internal arrangements in (human) numbered order. But you could just as readily give them atomic letters as atomic numbers, a, b, c, or group them by rhymes hay helay lithay &c.

And you always have that human element of selection that I mentioned ─ you can't count hydrogen atoms until a human brain has decided to count the number of HYDROGEN ATOMS in THIS JAR.

And sure, you can use Newton's formula F = G(m1m2/rr) but it's an abstraction, something that only exists in your brain, and YOU have to assign values to G, m1, m2 and r before YOU can get the result YOU want. Just as with counting, where YOU have to choose the SUBJECT and the FIELD. And of course Newton's universal law isn't really universal in an Einsteinian universe, is it.

You forgot to include that photo of an uninstantiated two, by the way.

 

[wizanda]

you can't count hydrogen atoms until a human brain has decided to count the number of HYDROGEN ATOMS in THIS JAR.

The number of photons, electrons, and neutrons, that exist within that atomic structure, exists independently of any human looking at it.

The maths of reality exists independently of us assigning our values to it.

In my opinion.