outhouse
Atheistically
I would say this applies to the koran more so then the bible.
Look at how both of these books can reduce one ability to communicate properly or even logically or reasonably.
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Prophet Jesus PBUH commanded people to be Muslim
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I would say this applies to the koran more so then the bible.
Look at how both of these books can reduce one ability to communicate properly or even logically or reasonably.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
That's funny, we've been saying that for the last 1900 years to some other folks.
At least Christians now know how it feels.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I absolutely agree with you.
Christianity has used the old testament and interpreted it in a way of proving the the coming of Christ.
Jesus came.. and fills many pages of the new testament he needs no improvised support from the old testament.
If I needed interpretation of the old testament I would ask a Rabbi, they understand it far better than any Christian.
rosends
Well-Known Member
the word appears in a translation of a text which I don't find authoritative. Have fun with that.
use_your_brain
Active Member
it is not a false quote it does exist in the bible. in Luke 40.
Unification
Well-Known Member
I see a bunch of different words in their respected languages all having similar and/or common roots such as S L M and meaning PEACE, wholeness.
MuSLiM iSLaM JeruSALEM, salem, shalom, etc.
I don't think it matter the titles and religions and ethnicity.... one should always seek the path or way of peace and wholeness.
That's the closest thing to a "one true religion." All of this other crap is anything but peaceable.
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
There are many verse 40's in luke you need to give the chapter as well.
I have read the entire gospel and can not find any reference to it.
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use_your_brain
Active Member
Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo."
"No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher."
Luke 6:40
use_your_brain
Active Member
Arab, English, greek translate the MUSHLAM in different sense. Why is it like that?
The verse you're quoting is from the New Testament. The Hebrew was NOT the original New Testament. The New Testament was originally written in Koine Greek, probably translating Jesus' sayings from the Aramaic he likely spoke to his disciples. So whatever the word is in the Hebrew New Testament is rather irrelevant, because the Greek was the original - that's what you should go to for something vaguely authoritative on the matter.
What's more, even if it is using the word as an equivalent to Muslim, that doesn't mean it's telling people to follow the religion of Islam. Just to submit to God. I myself am a Muslim, by this definition. In fact, the term Muslim as a particular religious denominator seems to be something that arose since the advent of the faith we now refer to as Islam as a community identifier.
What's more, even if it is using the word as an equivalent to Muslim, that doesn't mean it's telling people to follow the religion of Islam. Just to submit to God. I myself am a Muslim, by this definition. In fact, the term Muslim as a particular religious denominator seems to be something that arose since the advent of the faith we now refer to as Islam as a community identifier.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
NRSV Luke 6:40
A disciple is not above the teacher,but everyone who is fully qualified will be like the teacher.
KJV Luke 6:40
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
Both these are translations from the original Greek.Neither have the meaning you give them.
use_your_brain
Active Member
yes the PERFECT notion is translated from MUSHLAM.
No, the term Mushlam is an attempt to translate a Greek term from the original.
use_your_brain
Active Member
What does the original version say then?
μαθητὴς
Transliterated as mathētēs. It starts with an M, but I don't think much connection to the word Muslim can be made with credibility here.
Meaning 'a disciple'. There are, however, speakers of biblical Greek on the forums who may be able to comment in more depth.
use_your_brain
Active Member
what langauge is it? Greek? don't I ask the original version of that notion? and it supposed to not in greek, right?
It is Koine Greek, yes.
The original New Testament (from which you quote) was written in Koine Greek. That is the original. Hebrew is NOT the original, the Hebrew New Testament is a translation, just like the English Qur'an is a translation.
It is the Old Testament which was originally in Hebrew, not the New Testament, which was in Koine Greek. The Gospel of Luke is in the New Testament.
use_your_brain
Active Member
and its Koine Greek use MUSHLAM notion, right?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
No , mushlam is not greek.
Luke spoke and wrote in Greek, not in any form of hebrew.
use_your_brain
Active Member
at least this notion exist in the Bible.