Prophet Jesus (PBUH) Never Claimed Divinity

[Islam432]

Ths is a flase claim. There is no revelation given to Jesus outside of the Bible. By rejecting the Bible, Jesus is rejected and your claim to believe in Him is worthless.

Although there are minor instances of this, there is not enough evidence to consider the whole as corrupt. The concept that minor corruptions indicate major ones is pure speculation and without foundation.

The words of the Gospel that were recorded by the authors were the words of Jesus. When John reports Jesus as saying "I and My Father are one," the words are the words of Jesus not of John.

There is no evidence that a pure form existed. The Bible that we have today contains the only recorded words of Jesus without any reference to any previous form.

First you didn't understood my point ,we Muslims believe in the revelation given to jesus(pbuh) which is not Bible today , we Muslims agree that some part of Bible could be correct but not all and the fact is major section of bible which has been corrupted ,and many books have been written on that by Christians scholars themselves ,i can quote them here if you want and they are fill with proof's

 

[Islam432]

Ths is a flase claim. There is no revelation given to Jesus outside of the Bible. By rejecting the Bible, Jesus is rejected and your claim to believe in Him is worthless.

Although there are minor instances of this, there is not enough evidence to consider the whole as corrupt. The concept that minor corruptions indicate major ones is pure speculation and without foundation.

The words of the Gospel that were recorded by the authors were the words of Jesus. When John reports Jesus as saying "I and My Father are one," the words are the words of Jesus not of John.

There is no evidence that a pure form existed. The Bible that we have today contains the only recorded words of Jesus without any reference to any previous form.

Also you never answered the last part of my question

why are there so many contradictions in Bible including mathematics,history,science etc can you attribute that to god??

 

[Islam432]

You are correct in requiring context. I was simply providing an instance of Jesus making a direct statement. I assume that you are corroborating that this word is from Jesus.

Yes, the context supports the divinty of Jesus according to His claim. Your "No" and "one purpose" are incorrect and not found in the context.

This is not proof that Jesus is only one in purpose with God.

No, only those who have the Holy Spirit residing within.

There is no "plurality of gods." There is only one God in the Father, the Son and the Paraclete.

Not everyone does but I like to have some way of referring back to what you have said. It is my desire to be responsive. Is that not what debate is all about?
I try to prove my points and disprove yours in a rebuttal. I will answer your rebuttal with further proofs.

Again, there is no such thing as trinity in bible

And there is nowhere in complete bible where jesus(pbuh) himself says
1)iam god
2) worship me

But Quran mentions Trinity

Verse 4:171
People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'—stop, that is better for you—God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to Trust


Verses 5:72–75

Those who say, 'God is the Messiah, son of Mary,' have defied God. The Messiah himself said, 'Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' If anyone associates others with God, God will forbid him from the Garden, and Hell will be his home. No one will help such evildoers.

Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask his forgiveness, when God is most forgiving, most merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are....

Verse 5:116

When God says, 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, "Take me and my mother as two gods alongside God"?' he will say, 'May You be exalted! I would never say what I had no right to say—if I had said such a thing You would have known it: You know all that is within me, though I do not know what is within You, You alone have full knowledge of things unseen (Qur'an 5:116)

 

[Bowman]

And there is nowhere in complete bible where jesus(pbuh) himself says
1)iam god
2) worship me

Here, from the Koran, Jesus is stated to be God:

Jesus Knows the Hour


Twice, in sura 43, Jesus Christ (i.e. the Son), is accurately described as possessing knowledge of The Resurrection…

ولما ضرب ابن مريم مثلا إذا قومك منه يصدون وقالوا ءألهتنا خير أم هو ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلابل هم قوم خصمون إن هو إلا عبد أنعمنا عليه وجعلنه مثلا لبني إسرءيل ولو نشاء لجعلنا منكم ملئكة في الأرض يخلفون وإنه لعلم للساعة فلا تمترن بها واتبعون هذا صرط مستقيم​

Walamma duriba ibnu maryama mathalan itha qawmuka minhu yasiddoona waqaloo aalihatuna khayrun am huwa ma daraboohu laka illa jadalan bal hum qawmun khasimoona in huwa illa AAabdun anAAamna AAalayhi wajaAAalnahu mathalan libanee isra-eela walaw nashao lajaAAalna minkum mala-ikatan fee al-ardi yakhlufoona wa-innahu laAAilmun lilssaAAati fala tamtarunna biha waittabiAAooni hatha siratun mustaqeemun

And only Mary's Son, held up (as) a sign on your nation, from Him they start raising clamor. And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” That they set Him forth to you except disputation, but they, a nation (of) contentious people. Indeed He except a slave; we have bestowed blessings on Him, and we made Him a sign to Israel’s sons. And if we will, truly we made from your angels upon the earth, they succeed. And truly He (has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it, and follow Me, this exact right path. (43.57 – 61)


Here, only Jesus Christ is described as being a sign to the people.

Jesus is stated to be an exception (i.e. in a class all by Himself, via “illa”) both to the disputing people, and also as a mere slave.

Jesus is shown to be in deity status as He is compared against the people’s gods. Further, Jesus is stated to have angels upon the earth, and that He possesses indisputable knowledge regarding the Resurrection.


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قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم وتبارك الذي له ملك السموت والأرض وما بينهما وعنده علم الساعة وإليه ترجعون ولا يملك الذين يدعون من دونه الشفعة إلا من شهد بالحق وهم يعلمون​

Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu watabaraka allathee lahu mulku alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma waAAindahu AAilmu alssaAAati wa-ilayhi turjaAAoona wala yamliku allatheena yadAAoona min doonihi alshshafaAAata illa man shahida bialhaqqi wahum yaAAlamoona

Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows. And exalted whom certainly His, King (of) the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection, and to Him you are taken back. And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession, except He; He bore witness on account of The Truth and them, they know. (43.81- 86)



Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).

Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:

• Jesus is worshiped as the Most Merciful
• Jesus is Lord of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is King of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is Lord of the Throne
• Jesus is God upon the Cloud
• Jesus is God upon the Earth
• Jesus is The Intercession
• Jesus is The Witness
• Jesus is The Truth
• None are superior to Him
• Jesus takes back those who are His on the Day of Resurrection

Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.



You reject the Bible.

Are you now going to reject your Koran?

 

[Islam432]

Here, from the Koran, Jesus is stated to be God:

Jesus Knows the Hour


Twice, in sura 43, Jesus Christ (i.e. the Son), is accurately described as possessing knowledge of The Resurrection…

ولما ضرب ابن مريم مثلا إذا قومك منه يصدون وقالوا ءألهتنا خير أم هو ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلابل هم قوم خصمون إن هو إلا عبد أنعمنا عليه وجعلنه مثلا لبني إسرءيل ولو نشاء لجعلنا منكم ملئكة في الأرض يخلفون وإنه لعلم للساعة فلا تمترن بها واتبعون هذا صرط مستقيم​

Walamma duriba ibnu maryama mathalan itha qawmuka minhu yasiddoona waqaloo aalihatuna khayrun am huwa ma daraboohu laka illa jadalan bal hum qawmun khasimoona in huwa illa AAabdun anAAamna AAalayhi wajaAAalnahu mathalan libanee isra-eela walaw nashao lajaAAalna minkum mala-ikatan fee al-ardi yakhlufoona wa-innahu laAAilmun lilssaAAati fala tamtarunna biha waittabiAAooni hatha siratun mustaqeemun

And only Mary's Son, held up (as) a sign on your nation, from Him they start raising clamor. And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” That they set Him forth to you except disputation, but they, a nation (of) contentious people. Indeed He except a slave; we have bestowed blessings on Him, and we made Him a sign to Israel’s sons. And if we will, truly we made from your angels upon the earth, they succeed. And truly He (has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it, and follow Me, this exact right path. (43.57 – 61)


Here, only Jesus Christ is described as being a sign to the people.

Jesus is stated to be an exception (i.e. in a class all by Himself, via “illa&#8221 both to the disputing people, and also as a mere slave.

Jesus is shown to be in deity status as He is compared against the people’s gods. Further, Jesus is stated to have angels upon the earth, and that He possesses indisputable knowledge regarding the Resurrection.


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قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم وتبارك الذي له ملك السموت والأرض وما بينهما وعنده علم الساعة وإليه ترجعون ولا يملك الذين يدعون من دونه الشفعة إلا من شهد بالحق وهم يعلمون​

Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu watabaraka allathee lahu mulku alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma waAAindahu AAilmu alssaAAati wa-ilayhi turjaAAoona wala yamliku allatheena yadAAoona min doonihi alshshafaAAata illa man shahida bialhaqqi wahum yaAAlamoona

Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows. And exalted whom certainly His, King (of) the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection, and to Him you are taken back. And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession, except He; He bore witness on account of The Truth and them, they know. (43.81- 86)



Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).

Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:

• Jesus is worshiped as the Most Merciful
• Jesus is Lord of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is King of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is Lord of the Throne
• Jesus is God upon the Cloud
• Jesus is God upon the Earth
• Jesus is The Intercession
• Jesus is The Witness
• Jesus is The Truth
• None are superior to Him
• Jesus takes back those who are His on the Day of Resurrection

Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.



You reject the Bible.

Are you now going to reject your Koran?

lol...you are the biggest moron i have ever came across , your quoting quran of of context and giving your own interpretation....if you show the same verse to 5 years old kid he will tell you its actual meaning

 

[allright]

1 Jesus said "before Abraham was I am" fully knowing that when Moses asked God what his name is God replied "I am who I am" thus openly declaring he is God.
2 Many times in John Jesus allowed people to fall on their knees and worship him. The first commandment states only God is to be worshipped . Therefore Jesus is God or he is guilty of a great sin which under the law of Moses is punishable by death and clearly cannot be a great prophet.
3 Jesus forgave sins. Only God can forget sins.
4 John 6:62 "What if you see the Son of man ascend where he was before"

 

[love]

"And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."

John 10:23-30

Rejoice Islam 432, if you hear His voice and He knows you, no one can pluck you out of his hand.
As a Muslim it is prescribed to you to pray 5 times per day, but unless your prayers are unlike the scribes and pharisees who like to be noted for their loud boisterous chanting you will not hear Him. Praying does involve listening too you know. Some people call it meditation, others call it getting in touch with their inner being. Some live their life feeling the clutch of the hand around them.

 

[Bowman]

lol...you are the biggest moron i have ever came across , your quoting quran of of context and giving your own interpretation....if you show the same verse to 5 years old kid he will tell you its actual meaning

You claimed that you were here to learn...however, you have shown that you prefer to default to name-calling.

Why not put that energy into understanding your scriptures.

Come back when you can keep your cool...

 

[Islam432]

1 Jesus said "before Abraham was I am" fully knowing that when Moses asked God what his name is God replied "I am who I am" thus openly declaring he is God.
2 Many times in John Jesus allowed people to fall on their knees and worship him. The first commandment states only God is to be worshipped . Therefore Jesus is God or he is guilty of a great sin which under the law of Moses is punishable by death and clearly cannot be a great prophet.
3 Jesus forgave sins. Only God can forget sins.
4 John 6:62 "What if you see the Son of man ascend where he was before"

again quoting bible out of context:areyoucra

seriously there is nowhere in bible that jesus(pbuh) himself said

1 iam God or

2 worship me

 

[allright]

again quoting bible out of context:areyoucra

seriously there is nowhere in bible that jesus(pbuh) himself said

1 iam God or

2 worship me

Prove it by showing how these verses are out of context.
I say you cant and your lying

 

[Bowman]

again quoting bible out of context:areyoucra

seriously there is nowhere in bible that jesus(pbuh) himself said

1 iam God or

2 worship me

Nowhere in the Koran does "allah" ever say...'I am God worship me'...

 

[Islam432]

Nowhere in the Koran does "allah" ever say...'I am God worship me'...

Allah says: "And I have neither created the Jinn nor humans except to worship Me ."

"He is God; there is no god but He, He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God, there is no God but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace, the Guardian of Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they associate! He is God the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (59:22-24)

 

[Islam432]

1 Jesus said "before Abraham was I am" fully knowing that when Moses asked God what his name is God replied "I am who I am" thus openly declaring he is God.
2 Many times in John Jesus allowed people to fall on their knees and worship him. The first commandment states only God is to be worshipped . Therefore Jesus is God or he is guilty of a great sin which under the law of Moses is punishable by death and clearly cannot be a great prophet.
3 Jesus forgave sins. Only God can forget sins.
4 John 6:62 "What if you see the Son of man ascend where he was before"

1) where is the reference
2)quote me john i cant find anything there
3)where is that written in bible give the reference
4)out of context and the only reference you gave

John 6:62 "What then if you should behold the Son of Man ascending where He was before? NAS

This verse is in light of the previous context, all of which were figurative (e.g. – drinking his blood, etc) for spiritual things.

 

[allright]

1) where is the reference
2)quote me john i cant find anything there
3)where is that written in bible give the reference
4)out of context and the only reference you gave

John 6:62 "What then if you should behold the Son of Man ascending where He was before? NAS

This verse is in light of the previous context, all of which were figurative (e.g. – drinking his blood, etc) for spiritual things.

Excuse me, you cliamed that the verses I quoted were out of context. Now you say you dont even know where they are located in the Bible
Dont waste my our time. You dont have a clue about the Bible or what is says
and youve never even read it

 

[Bowman]

Allah says: "And I have neither created the Jinn nor humans except to worship Me ."

No mention of the god "allah" here, brother...

"He is God; there is no god but He, He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God, there is no God but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace, the Guardian of Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they associate! He is God the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (59:22-24)

Written in the 3rd person because the god "allah" is incapable of saying this about himself in the first-person.

Why is this simple request so hard for you brother?

Perhaps you should not demand something from others that you are unable to produce yourself!

 

[Bowman]

Excuse me, you cliamed that the verses I quoted were out of context. Now you say you dont even know where they are located in the Bible
Dont waste my our time. You dont have a clue about the Bible or what is says
and youve never even read it

Muslims don't care to read replies from us which contradict their training...

Any deviation from their canned assertions sends them into a tizzy....

 

[smokydot]

1 Jesus said "before Abraham was I am" fully knowing that when Moses asked God what his name is God replied "I am who I am" thus openly declaring he is God.
2 Many times in John Jesus allowed people to fall on their knees and worship him. The first commandment states only God is to be worshipped . Therefore Jesus is God or he is guilty of a great sin which under the law of Moses is punishable by death and clearly cannot be a great prophet.
3 Jesus forgave sins. Only God can forget sins.
4 John 6:62 "What if you see the Son of man ascend where he was before"

While it is true that Jesus of Nazareth never said, "I am God," or "Worship me," he did make claims about himself which Jewish officials understood to be clear claims of divinity (Mark 2:3-7, John 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7), which is why they had him executed. Jesus claimed that

--he came down from heaven (Jn 3:13, 6:38,42,62)
--and was sent by God (Jn 5:36-40, 10:36, 13:3, 16:28)
--to die as a ransom for the sins of many (Mt 20:28, 26:28; Jn 10:11),
--with power to forgive sin (Mt 9:2-6),
--to conquer Satan (Jn 12:31; Lk 10:18; Mk 1:23-26, 5:6-13),
--to speak for God (Jn 7:16, 8:25-28, 12:44-45,49-50, 14:10; Lk 9:35, 10:16),
--and to judge all mankind (Jn 5:22,27, 8:26, 12:48; Mt 25:31-33),
--as the exclusive way to God (Jn 14:6),
--the source of life (Jn 5:25-26, 6:40),
--the source of truth (Jn 14:6),
--the decisive factor in the eternal destiny of every man (Jn 3:18-19,36, 5 :24, 6:40, 8:24-25),
--possessing all authority (power) in heaven and earth (Mt 26:64, 28:18; Lk 10:22; Jn 13:3,13),
--equal with God (Jn 5:18, 8:19, 12:44-45, 14:7-9, 16:15, 17:10); i.e. doing what God does (Jn 5:19):
----as the Father works, so the Son works (miracles) - (Jn 5:17),
----as the Father gives life, so the Son gives life (Jn 5:21),
----as the Father is Judge, so the Son is Judge (Jn 5:22),
----as the Father is to be honored, so the Son is to be honored (Jn 5:23),
----as the Father has life in himself, so the Son has life in himself (Jn 5:26),
----as the Father sends with authority and power, so the Son sends with authority and power (Jn 20:21),
----as the Father confers the kingdom, so the Son confers the kingdom (Lk 22:29),
----as the Father gives law, so the Son gives law (Mt 5:23-47, 12:7-8, 19:9, 21:23-27, chp 23),
--empowering the apostles to speak for him, as well as for God (Lk 10:16; Jn 13:20),
--empowering the apostles to recall and understand all things correctly (Jn 14:26, 16:13-15; Lk 24:48-49),
--and, in making these claims about himself, speaking exactly what the Father told him to say (Jn 12:49).

In these staggering claims, Jesus is saying that he is no less than God.
The Jewish officials knew exactly what Jesus was saying, accused him of blasphemy, and had him executed.

 

[A Thousand Suns]

While it is true that Jesus of Nazareth never said, "I am God," or "Worship me," he did make claims about himself which Jewish officials understood to be clear claims of divinity (Mark 2:3-7, John 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7), which is why they had him executed. Jesus claimed that

--he came down from heaven (Jn 3:13, 6:38,42,62)
--and was sent by God (Jn 5:36-40, 10:36, 13:3, 16:28)
--to die as a ransom for the sins of many (Mt 20:28, 26:28; Jn 10:11),
--with power to forgive sin (Mt 9:2-6),
--to conquer Satan (Jn 12:31; Lk 10:18; Mk 1:23-26, 5:6-13),
--to speak for God (Jn 7:16, 8:25-28, 12:44-45,49-50, 14:10; Lk 9:35, 10:16),
--and to judge all mankind (Jn 5:22,27, 8:26, 12:48; Mt 25:31-33),
--as the exclusive way to God (Jn 14:6),
--the source of life (Jn 5:25-26, 6:40),
--the source of truth (Jn 14:6),
--the decisive factor in the eternal destiny of every man (Jn 3:18-19,36, 5 :24, 6:40, 8:24-25),
--possessing all authority (power) in heaven and earth (Mt 26:64, 28:18; Lk 10:22; Jn 13:3,13),
--equal with God (Jn 5:18, 8:19, 12:44-45, 14:7-9, 16:15, 17:10); i.e. doing what God does (Jn 5:19):
----as the Father works, so the Son works (miracles) - (Jn 5:17),
----as the Father gives life, so the Son gives life (Jn 5:21),
----as the Father is Judge, so the Son is Judge (Jn 5:22),
----as the Father is to be honored, so the Son is to be honored (Jn 5:23),
----as the Father has life in himself, so the Son has life in himself (Jn 5:26),
----as the Father sends with authority and power, so the Son sends with authority and power (Jn 20:21),
----as the Father confers the kingdom, so the Son confers the kingdom (Lk 22:29),
----as the Father gives law, so the Son gives law (Mt 5:23-47, 12:7-8, 19:9, 21:23-27, chp 23),
--empowering the apostles to speak for him, as well as for God (Lk 10:16; Jn 13:20),
--empowering the apostles to recall and understand all things correctly (Jn 14:26, 16:13-15; Lk 24:48-49),
--and, in making these claims about himself, speaking exactly what the Father told him to say (Jn 12:49).

In these staggering claims, Jesus is saying that he is no less than God.
The Jewish officials knew exactly what Jesus was saying, accused him of blasphemy, and had him executed.

plz go open your bible and read the full context

 

[allright]

plz go open your bible and read the full context

Its up to you to show the verses are out of context, but of course you wont because you couldnt even find the verses in the Bible because you never read it.

 

[smokydot]

plz go open your bible and read the full context

I see nothing in the full context that alters the assertion of my post #98.

Would you please point out to me what you want me to see in the full context?

Thanks,
smokydot