Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Indeed, and that can be very challenging, it requires a significant degree of self-awareness.
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Pros and cons of attempts at perceiving many or all religions as pointing to the same conclusions
- Thread starter LuisDantas
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Indeed, and that can be very challenging, it requires a significant degree of self-awareness.
Ah. I see. And how do you define a 'revealed' religion?
I disagree. Not every religion.
I disagree. I don't believe I should love all of my neighbours. I don't believe I should always speak the truth. I don't believe it is more blessed to give than to receive.
I don't agree with all of these.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I don't think there are any pros to it. Not all religions believe the same things, they typically have widely varying after lives (if any at all), the nature of their deities vary, and they teach and promote different ideals, ethics, morals, and characteristics. Sometimes God is the end-all be-all and final word and authority over everything, sometimes the gods are beings of a higher existence who assist humans in their daily endeavors, and sometimes the deity does not get involved at all. You also do not need religion to learn peace, tolerance, and good will towards your fellow humans. It really does no good to try and pretend Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, Satanism, and Asatruism all teach and promote the same goals and ideals because they don't.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
A revealed religion is that whose founder received Word of Revelation from G-d, like Muhammad received Quran.
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paarsurrey
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Never-mind. Please
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So Hinduism is out.
paarsurrey
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Never-mind, Please
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paarsurrey
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Never-mind,please.
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Which religions then, in your opinion, had founders who received Words of Revelation from Allaah?
vaguelyhumanoid
Active Member
I don't believe that we are made in God's image. I believe that we evolved alongside the gods, who are incorporeal presences that likely predate humanity but are still a part of the natural universe. A Buddhist does not necessarily believe we were created in God's image either, because gods are trapped in the wheel of samsara too. A Taoist wouldn't necessarily think we are made in God's image either, because Tao precedes the gods. This is what I don't like about the whole "oneness" idea - it erases polytheism and nontheist perspectives.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
To every people:
[35:25] Verily, We have sent thee with the truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and as a Warner; and there is no people to whom a Warner has not been sent.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=35&verse=24
Doesn't one believe in Quran, it is so clearly mentioned?.I think one just missed to read or understand it.Right? Pleasehttp://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=35&verse=24
Please name the people and the prophets/messengers/warners sent to them. Better prepare a list for benefit of everybody, please
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ratikala
Istha gosthi
Namaskaram Quintessence Ji , ...
please excuse me going back to earlier in the conversation , but you raise points that interest me , ...
As I understand it Perenialist thought on one hand supports the ideals of both analitical and personal contemplation , on the other hand an empasiss on learning from the experience of eminent schollars or realised persons , this is not unlike the strictest ideals adhered to by many Hindu , Sikh , Buddhists and Sufis where empasiss is placed upon surrender to the Guru by whos blessing and association the student is systematicaly brought to a point of realisation , ...it is this realisation where ever it occurs which seems to support the notion that all beings ultimatly posess the same esential nature .
thus fron theVedic perspective @atanu Ji quotes what most Hindu happily accept despite their diverse cultural and historical traditions , ....
or variously it is expressed by the analogy that there are many paths which lead to the top of the same mountain , ....this is what the Hindu cals Marga and Buddhists Magga ...path , method by which one attains enlightenment or knowledge of God , ....
so what of other religious traditions ?
is there not a universality in that the adept of each tradition is seeking enlightenment in some form or another ?
and given that we all face questions about life its meaning and its purpose at some time in our lives , could it not be said that each in his own way seeks Knowledge and understanding ?
furthermore do we not all seek some form of moral or ethical code that helps us to negociate the dilemas we inevitably face at some point in our lives , ....?
some might choose to deny the existance of God (singular) prefering to focus on aspects (plural) or personifications of wisdom , creation and order , ....some may wish to take a secular approach and insist that this wisdom and order must come from within , .....none the less the desire is the same , our nature is the same we seek the reasurance of Knowledge and the peace which comes from knowing , ...
thus the universalist is unperturbed by the differences of individual religions , as these differences arise due to the nature and diversity of each culture and each in their own way are in a constant state of flux due to the conditions each faces at any one point in time , yet there is an underlaying truth which motivates all traditions , and a reality understood by those that dedicate them selves to indepth and analitical personal examination , .....
was it Kabir that said , ......when I serch for God I find only myself , ..but when I search for myself I find only God , .....
universality in this respect is not Syncretism nor is it ''a way of dealing with diversity by pretending it does not exist''...it is accepting divercity , it is understanding that each need a different approach , that they need to make it in their own way , and that each need to celebrate life and Knowledge acording to their own understanding .
please excuse me going back to earlier in the conversation , but you raise points that interest me , ...
As I understand it Perenialist thought on one hand supports the ideals of both analitical and personal contemplation , on the other hand an empasiss on learning from the experience of eminent schollars or realised persons , this is not unlike the strictest ideals adhered to by many Hindu , Sikh , Buddhists and Sufis where empasiss is placed upon surrender to the Guru by whos blessing and association the student is systematicaly brought to a point of realisation , ...it is this realisation where ever it occurs which seems to support the notion that all beings ultimatly posess the same esential nature .
thus fron theVedic perspective @atanu Ji quotes what most Hindu happily accept despite their diverse cultural and historical traditions , ....
or variously it is expressed by the analogy that there are many paths which lead to the top of the same mountain , ....this is what the Hindu cals Marga and Buddhists Magga ...path , method by which one attains enlightenment or knowledge of God , ....
so what of other religious traditions ?
is there not a universality in that the adept of each tradition is seeking enlightenment in some form or another ?
and given that we all face questions about life its meaning and its purpose at some time in our lives , could it not be said that each in his own way seeks Knowledge and understanding ?
furthermore do we not all seek some form of moral or ethical code that helps us to negociate the dilemas we inevitably face at some point in our lives , ....?
some might choose to deny the existance of God (singular) prefering to focus on aspects (plural) or personifications of wisdom , creation and order , ....some may wish to take a secular approach and insist that this wisdom and order must come from within , .....none the less the desire is the same , our nature is the same we seek the reasurance of Knowledge and the peace which comes from knowing , ...
thus the universalist is unperturbed by the differences of individual religions , as these differences arise due to the nature and diversity of each culture and each in their own way are in a constant state of flux due to the conditions each faces at any one point in time , yet there is an underlaying truth which motivates all traditions , and a reality understood by those that dedicate them selves to indepth and analitical personal examination , .....
was it Kabir that said , ......when I serch for God I find only myself , ..but when I search for myself I find only God , .....
universality in this respect is not Syncretism nor is it ''a way of dealing with diversity by pretending it does not exist''...it is accepting divercity , it is understanding that each need a different approach , that they need to make it in their own way , and that each need to celebrate life and Knowledge acording to their own understanding .
Here's a link to a scholarly article that explains 'ultimate reality' according to most of the world's great faiths. It was helpful to me to understand some of the key differences. I'm really not sure of the scholar's background.
http://www.comparativereligion.com/god.html
http://www.comparativereligion.com/god.html
ratikala
Istha gosthi
namaskaram Luis ji
and similarly those who use religion to understand what God is , ...this leads on to the question of our relationship with God , ......then to understanding our duty in respect to God , to others and to ourselves , ....
assuming that one is true assumes that others are false , this surely is a very dangerous position to hold , ...
agreed , ..it would be a missinturpretation of many religions to take the stance of one being true and the remainder false , ....instead , yes Certainly we shoud search for truth where ever we find ourselves , .....
and similarly those who use religion to understand what God is , ...this leads on to the question of our relationship with God , ......then to understanding our duty in respect to God , to others and to ourselves , ....
assuming that one is true assumes that others are false , this surely is a very dangerous position to hold , ...
agreed , ..it would be a missinturpretation of many religions to take the stance of one being true and the remainder false , ....instead , yes Certainly we shoud search for truth where ever we find ourselves , .....
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I asked about religions, not people to whom Prophets have been sent. Are you saying that the founders of all religions received Words of Revelation from Allaah?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
The name would be in the language that the prophet/messenger of G-d is sent:
[14:5] And We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people in order that he might make things clear to them. Then Allah lets go astray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. And He is the Mighty, the Wise.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=14&verse=0
It is easy to understand in one's own language. Pleasehttp://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=14&verse=0
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