PROVE ME WRONG... All religions are fake.

[sojourner]

Sure. Christianity fits the definition of a religion;

"Religion [is] a cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual elements."
source: Wikipedia​

So, Christianity is not a fake religion, but a true religion. Not a true overnight bag, a true pasta dinner, or a true pipe fitting in aisle 11 at Home Depot, but a true religion. And as such, exists as at least one example that proves your contention, all religions are fake, to be wrong.


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You beat me to it.

 

[sojourner]

By saying "all religions are fake" I do not mean the man-made definition that was given. I mean the actual "god" that each religion is built up on. Is that religion real? Or was it made by humans? That is what I am asking.

Why is the religion only “real” if humans don’t create it? Religions are a human endeavor.

 

[sojourner]

I believe that no religion is real, I want people to convince me wrong

You have a particular belief, as stated here. Proselytizing (convincing someone to swing your way) is against forum rules. So, we can’t convince you otherwise.

the only thing I do not support is parents making you believe what they want, meaning your faith is basically determined where you are born, as what I believe happens to 99% of the humans in the world

Why? Do you not understand that religions are culturally-informed, and also culturally-foundational? Why wouldn’t parents teach the culture in which they live to their children? Isn’t it definitional of a good parent to adequately socialize their offspring?

 

[sojourner]

I can only prove that spaghetti monster religion is fake. All others have good and bad points.

Wait... I love FSM religion!!

 

[sojourner]

I do not see any point why if there is a God he would come to our world and tell us to be good and love and worship him. When I think of God, I think of someone with great power, which can do anything that he want with a snap of a finger, since he created the universe. In most religions, I see God coming in a form of a man, and struggling

Isn’t that the whole point of the spiritual endeavor, though? To struggle with our humanity and how to work for our highest good?

If there is a real religion, do you agree that all the others are fake

No.

For something to be real, there needs to be proof

Well... there should be evidence. But that’s a different animal from “proof.”

 

[sojourner]

Perhaps you mistake my position. I do believe in a God, I just do not believe that he came to tell us he is there.

Sooo... we shouldn’t wish to be touched by his noodly appendage?

 

[sojourner]

That is a bad example. If we use your example, you could say you can tell someone all day that the earth is round. But not everything works for all, our criteria for what works for me varies. I get look outside the window and I see a flat surface.

Truth depends on our perspective. When new facts come to bear, our perspective shifts. It used to be truth for people that the earth was flat. Then new facts came to bear.

 

[sojourner]

Indeed, if one religion is true, than all others are all fake

Not so, since religions rely heavily on metaphoric avatars to convey spiritual truth. The metaphors that comprise the religions vary, yet point to the same basic, spiritual truths.

 

[sojourner]

I'm not trying to bait you but is hockey a fake religion?

I thought Puck was a minor deity...

 

[sojourner]

For me personally, I would not want to be a good man just because a religion is telling me to. I do not want to be scared of doing bad things just because I am scared to burn in hell. I do not want to be a good man just because I want to enjoy an eternal afterlife. I want to be a good man because I want to be a good man. And I would rather do it with reason and logic rather than religion

Oh, you mean sorta like what Jesus taught?

 

[sojourner]

I think if God made a religion, it would be perfect and without any fake aspects.

Why God make a religion? God needs no religion.

 

[sojourner]

My debate is are all religions man-made? Or is one of them true

Yes, and all of them address truth.

 

[sojourner]

Why not live a more fruitful and beneficial life without religion? Why do you need religion

Religions should provide some framework in which spiritual metaphors can be ordered such that they become helpful to us in becoming more than we now are.

 

[sojourner]

Yes, if all of them are true, then there are hundreds of different gods which are real.

There are hundreds of different metaphoric avatars for Divinity which are real...

 

[sojourner]

Because God can do anything. He is so powerful that he made the universe and the world perfectly for our survival, I do not think that he would struggle to write a basic book about himself and how we should live.

Did God write a book??

 

[sojourner]

It is impossible to think what God is, how he made us, our brains just are not good enough. If you try to, you will just blank.

You seem to have done a pretty good job with FSM...

 

[sojourner]

My intention of this topic is to discuss with religions which worship the creator like Christianity and Islam. I thought that was the only definition of a religion anyway, learning new things everyday. But to your previous point, it should not take me long to find something silly in a book written by uneducated men thousands of years ago about magic and how the world was made.

Of course some of it is silly. We are too limited in our ability to fully conceive of God. Some of the mythic vehicles we use are bound to be silly.

 

[sojourner]

For me a true religion is a religion that has a true god which created life.The point of this topic was to discuss the creator of life rather than the fruit of life.

Aren’t they the same thing?

 

[sojourner]

Ok so your point is irrelevant. Because I am looking for debates about which religion actually worships a god that exists

What about ones that worship God-as-existence?

 

[paarsurrey]

Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true

What reasons/arguments convinced one to the truth of one's own religion stated to be "Spaghetti Monster"?
Please state them all here for the perusal of the members, please. Right, please?

Regards