Proved: Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. is mentioned in the Bible

[Dawood Ahmad]

1. Where does it say this in the Bible? 2nd coming is Jesus again, not another person, unless you can show me a passage I don't know about.
2. Why does this 2nd prophet have to be Muhammad? Why couldn't it be said that the other prophet hasn't come yet?
3. Why do you think the Bible is accurate when it comes to this?

My point is that all of these assumptions are matters of faith. They are huge jumps.

1. I am proving it, carefully read OP
2. Because He is the only Prophet who stood the test of time
3. Because it matches with Quran 7:157

 

[leibowde84]

No, not really, many authors never knew each other very closely. Its also very simple that list of narrarators and reporters was not falsfied because if they didn't know about the narrators, they would never need to add their lists and atleast, they won't make it such complicated and complex.

But, maybe that WAS the purpose. Making it complex makes it harder to falsify. And, making it hard to falsify can give those authority

1. I am proving it, carefully read OP
2. Because He is the only Prophet who stood the test of time
3. Because it matches with Quran 7:157

These points aren't sound, though. Just for example, the Quraan was written long after the Gospels, so it shouldn't be surprising that the Quraan would match up with it. It would be more surprising if it didn't, right?

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

But, maybe that WAS the purpose. Making it complex makes it harder to falsify. And, making it hard to falsify can give those authority

These points aren't sound, though. Just for example, the Quraan was written long after the Gospels, so it shouldn't be surprising that the Quraan would match up with it. It would be more surprising if it didn't, right?

1. If they made it complex to make to hard to falsify then their should be an inconsistency in this but there is no inconsistency in sahih hadith,

2. No, we won't care about it

 

[leibowde84]

1. If they made it complex to make to hard to falsify then their should be an inconsistency in this but there is no inconsistency in sahih hadith,

2. No, we won't care about it

1. If they made up the history, why would an inconsistency be expected. They could have easily made sure that this didn't happen through organization.
2. If there was an inconsistency between the Quraan and the Gospels, the Quraan wouldn't have gotten too far. So, it should be expected that Muhammad would have a great interest in making sure that they matched up.

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

1. If they made up the history, why would an inconsistency be expected. They could have easily made sure that this didn't happen through organization.
2. If there was an inconsistency between the Quraan and the Gospels, the Quraan wouldn't have gotten too far. So, it should be expected that Muhammad would have a great interest in making sure that they matched up.

1. It is not possible that they had no inconsistency with all those complexities
2. Why you bring Quran in there?

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

These points aren't sound, though.

Why not? I'm proving Bible talks someone other than Holy Spirit, Jesus, God, etc? Some one who is not a part of Christian beliefs.

 

[leibowde84]

Why not? I'm proving Bible talks someone other than Holy Spirit, Jesus, God, etc? Some one who is not a part of Christian beliefs.

Right, but you haven't shown that it must be Muhammad that the Bible was describing. And, further, you are now relying on the accuracy of Christian Scriptures.

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Right, but you haven't shown that it must be Muhammad that the Bible was describing. And, further, you are now relying on the accuracy of Christian Scriptures.

I proved that it was someone other than Christian beliefs. And who else can be it? What other things have come except Islam? How am I relying on that accuracy?

 

[leibowde84]

I proved that it was someone other than Christian beliefs. And who else can be it? What other things have come except Islam? How am I relying on that accuracy?

You are saying that the Christian Scriptures mention another prophet, right? So, how is that not relying on their accuracy?

 

[columbus]

Why not? I'm proving Bible talks someone other than Holy Spirit, Jesus, God, etc? Some one who is not a part of Christian beliefs.

What you are proving is that you do not understand Jewish and Christian scriptures or theology.

Muhammad corrupted ancient scriptures. He turned ancient writing into a personal cult. His success as a warlord motivated His followers to believe His story about an angel and a cave.

But it isn't true and most people know that. I'm not surprised that a Pakistani 14y/o hasn't learned it yet. But stick around and you will.

If you want to learn the Truth.

Tom

 

[leibowde84]

What you are proving is that you do not understand Jewish and Christian scriptures or theology.

Muhammad corrupted ancient scriptures. He turned ancient writing into a personal cult. His success as a warlord motivated His followers to believe His story about an angel and a cave.

But it isn't true and most people know that. I'm not surprised that a Pakistani 14y/o hasn't learned it yet. But stick around and you will.

If you want to learn the Truth.

Tom

I think there are more people in the world that believe Muhammad's story than do not.

 

[columbus]

I think there are more people in the world that believe Muhammad's story than do not.

Why would you believe this?
The vast majority of people are not Muslim. I expect that many of the minority of people who identity as Muslim don't believe it either. They just can't say so because they will be punished for expressing what they truly believe. That is what generally happens in Muslim majority places.

Google Raif Badawi to see what happens in modern Islamic places when you say something that the islamists don't want to hear.

Tom

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Columbus its not good you are insulting me and I think phsycologically I m elder than you
Tell me why is my Prophet mentioned in the Bible

 

[leibowde84]

Why would you believe this?
The vast majority of people are not Muslim. I expect that many of the minority of people who identity as Muslim don't believe it either. They just can't say so because they will be punished for expressing what they truly believe. That is what generally happens in Muslim majority places.

Google Raif Badawi to see what happens in modern Islamic places when you say something that the islamists don't want to hear.

Tom

Whoops, sorry. I meant in Pakistan, not the whole world. My mistake.

 

[Dawood Ahmad]

Read the Quran 6:116

 

[leibowde84]

Columbus its not good you are insulting me and I think phsycologically I m elder than you
Tell me why is my Prophet mentioned in the Bible

Muhammad is 100% not mentioned in the Bible. You might be able to stretch words and meanings in order to fit him in, but it is very misleading to claim that Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible. The future "prophet" mentioned in the Bible could just as easily be Joseph Smith, who started the Morman Church.

 

[leibowde84]

Read the Quran 6:116

I did, and it is very disturbing. It seems like it is saying, don't trust anyone who criticizes/questions Islam. That is just about the most dangerous rule I have ever heard of. Religious beliefs/traditions should constantly be questioned/criticized, or they cannot be improved upon.

 

[leibowde84]

Read the Quran 6:116

I would very much stress you to ignore anyone who tells you that they have the answer and everyone else is lying. It will lead you toward a very dangerous path, restricting knowledge along the way.

 

[leibowde84]

Columbus its not good you are insulting me and I think phsycologically I m elder than you
Tell me why is my Prophet mentioned in the Bible

Insulting Islam is not insulting you. You are free to insult other religions as well ... only personal insults are forbidden in this forum. If you are going to come onto a theological debate forum, you have to be OK with people criticizing your beliefs and the reasoning behind them.

 

[ChristineES]

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