proving homosexuality has a biological cause

[Gharib]

Is there any hard evidence you can cite in support of your notion homosexuality is a choice?

if it was natural why am i not gay?

 

[Sunstone]

if it was natural why am i not gay?

Because not everyone is gay, just as not everyone has red hair or is right-handed.

 

[Venatoris]

Do you truly choose your preferences? What's your favorite color? Do you choose your favorite color or is it naturally the color that appeals to you most? To me blue is more aesthetically pleasing so it is my favorite. I don't remember actually choosing it, it just is and always has been.

 

[Gharib]

Because not everyone is gay, just as not everyone has red hair or is right-handed.

very bad comparison.

but let me ask you, can a homosexual become a heterosexual if he wanted or had to?

and can a hetero become a homo if he had or wanted to?

 

[Gharib]

Do you truly choose your preferences? What's your favorite color? Do you choose your favorite color or is it naturally the color that appeals to you most? To me blue is more aesthetically pleasing so it is my favorite. I don't remember actually choosing it, it just is and always has been.

so you like blue and not the rest. thats called choice.

 

[Sunstone]

very bad comparison.

It's a very good comparison.

but let me ask you, can a homosexual become a heterosexual if he wanted or had to?

Not that I know of. He might change his behavior, but I suspect brain scans would reveal him to be a homosexual.

 

[Gharib]

It's a very good comparison.

Not that I know of. He might change his behavior, but I suspect brain scans would reveal him to be a homosexual.

exactly, homosexuals have brain problems. i mean since when does society allow someone that isn't normal be in controll of themself? they should be considered ill just like the rest of people that have mental dissorders. homosexuality can be cured, they just need some help.

ok lets go on. you said

"Because not everyone is gay, just as not everyone has red hair or is right-handed."

if a lefty, broke their left hand it is known that they can switch to their right. meaning they choose to wright with their left therefore thats why they do. and if a righty, broke his right hand he can also switch. told you bad comparison. same with the hair, it is a biological trait traced back to the parents. and as we all know two men having sex does not lead to having a child, so it is not a biological trait inherited from the parents. there is nothing biological about it.

now i myself don't know much gays, but brother Jamal_a_man does. i hope you can wait untill he sings in to tell you about homos that have changed to heteros.

 

[Alceste]

exactly, homosexuals have brain problems.

Jesus. Like moths to the flame.

 

[Madhuri]

there isn't, it's a choice.

A heterosexual is a person who is innately sexually attracted to a person of the opposite sex. A homosexual is a person who is innately sexually attracted to people of the same sex. Bisexuals are people who are innately sexually attracted to people of both sex. A homosexual would not choose voluntarily to have sex with someone of opposite sex because it feels as repulsive to them as having sex with a person of the same sex is to a heterosexual.

If you have never been in love with or fantisised about men Esalam then you are heterosexual. Homosexuals fall in love with and are completely attracted to people of hteir own sex. They do not find the opposite sex attractive, just as you do not find men attractive. Homosexuals begin these feelings from childhood just as heterosexuals begin their feelings from childhood.

Homosexuals have been persecuted throughout history. People don't want to be tortured and hated. If they had a choice, they would probably change. But their feelings and inclination is just as powerful and natural as your own.

Now we should look at the word 'natural'. I use it here to mean that people are born a certain way. They situation is not man made. Of course it can be, but often is not. It has a lot to do with fetal development, by the way. In some cases, studies show a correlation between women who are physically abused during pregnancy and their babies being affected hormonally/chemically and turning out to be homosexuals. This applies to some cases only. Homosexuals differ from hetersexuals physically and psychologically. Their chemical structures (not sure if that is the best way to put it) and brain structures are different and this can be seen during studies.

 

[Gharib]

Jesus. Like moths to the flame.

i don't know much about moths. so i can't say nothing.

 

[Commoner]

so you like blue and not the rest. thats called choice.

Wait a minute, I'm having a bit of a problem following your arguments. One the one hand you're arguing that homosexuality is a mental illness, on the other hand you're arguing that it's a choice.

Isn't that a bit contradictory? Are you saying that a mental illness is a choice? Have I misunderstood?

 

[Gharib]

Homosexuals begin these feelings from childhood just as heterosexuals begin their feelings from childhood.

about this statement. do homosexuals support it?

i can easily dissprove it. there is something about me that you could probably say is a gift from god. i can tell whether someone is homosexual or not, but only the men. not the women. all i have to do is either look at them for less than a minute or just hear them speak for a very short time.

a relative of mine has a son. the boy is about 10 or 9. i can tell that he is not homosexual, he looks homosexual, behaves like a female, but is not a homosexual.

at this stage i bet everyone thats reading this, appart from some, is warming up their hands and are saying "eselam himself has admitted that homosexuality is natural"

now you must believe me that i can tell if someone is gay, i can prove it if you wish.

so back to what i was saying. the reason for the boys behaviour is the environment in which he is growing up. so it can be ruled out as a choice rather than it being natural. if a homosexual behaves like a hetero then they can change back. but it is their childhood environment that has an effect on them or they turn homo at a latter stage cos they want to. there is nothing natural about this, and nothing genetic or biological. since i can tell homos from heteros, i can quite confidently say that men and women are considered no different from each other in these developed countries therefore, it is considered OK for a boy to hang out with girls, thus the boy starts addapting to a girls way of life and the same for a girl that hangs out with boys and not with girls. it is a mental problem and thus it has a cure.

hope that answeres some stuff.

 

[Gharib]

Wait a minute, I'm having a bit of a problem following your arguments. One the one hand you're arguing that homosexuality is a mental illness, on the other hand you're arguing that it's a choice.

Isn't that a bit contradictory? Are you saying that a mental illness is a choice? Have I misunderstood?

i think you have missunderstood, homosexuality is a sick choice made by some people.

 

[Venatoris]

there is something about me that you could probably say is a gift from god. i can tell whether someone is homosexual or not, but only the men. not the women. all i have to do is either look at them for less than a minute or just hear them speak for a very short time.

i can prove it if you wish.



hope that answeres some stuff.

That gift is called "Gaydar". It has been scientifically proven that men who have this sixth sense are more in-tune with gays because they harbor certain homosexual tendencies. It only works on men because you only want men. Please don't get offended, this is a good thing.

I would love for you to prove that you have this ability.

stuff has definitely been answered!

 

[Commoner]

That gift is called "Gaydar". It has been scientifically proven that men who have this sixth sense are more in-tune with gays because they harbor certain homosexual tendencies. It only works on men because you only want men. Please don't get offended, this is a good thing.

I would love for you to prove that you have this ability.

stuff has definitely been answered!

I'll just add a wiki link, in case our friend wants to take a closer look.

 

[Venatoris]

Lmao, thanks. I was actually going for the "it's scientific because I said so!" angle but that works too.

 

[Commoner]

i think you have missunderstood, homosexuality is a sick choice made by some people.

Well, that's strange. I seem to clearly recall you arguing homosexuality was an illness:

exactly, homosexuals have brain problems. i mean since when does society allow someone that isn't normal be in controll of themself? they should be considered ill just like the rest of people that have mental dissorders. homosexuality can be cured, they just need some help.

So which one is it, esalam?

 

[Scarlett Wampus]

i think you have missunderstood, homosexuality is a sick choice made by some people.

To clarify, you are suggesting that homosexuality is not caused by sickness, it is a choice that causes sickness.

I don't agree with this. The facts, as I see them, do not support it so I do not believe it. It is neither a choice nor does that choice cause sickness.

Eselam, in cultures that do not pathologise homosexuality, why are there no people who say they were homosexual but became heterosexual because they felt they were sick?

 

[Gharib]

That gift is called "Gaydar". It has been scientifically proven that men who have this sixth sense are more in-tune with gays because they harbor certain homosexual tendencies. It only works on men because you only want men. Please don't get offended, this is a good thing.

do you actually believe this?:cover:

I would love for you to prove that you have this ability.

anytime. you post the pics i'll do the rest.

stuff has definitely been answered!

what has been answered?

 

[Gharib]

I'll just add a wiki link, in case our friend wants to take a closer look.

do you guys think i'm gay or something?